Klitco vs Fraizer

[marvdave]

...Julius Francis fought Tyson, Williams, Lewis, and Vitali. The British press wants him to predict a Williams win over big V and he won't do it because he knows the score. He predicted Tyson wold lose to Williams and he was dead on. He also says in an interview that Vitali punches just as hard as Tyson and Lewis and that all three have devastating one punch power. To say that little Bonavena or little tiny Joe Frazier punches as hard as big ass Vitali is a joke. STFU and go back to your boxing archives.

"little tiny Joe Frazier?" oh brother, there goes your credibility.

VK is a damn good fighter who may someday be considered great. Lets give him a chance to prove it first before we put him above Frazier and alike.

[PBDS]

"little tiny Joe Frazier?" oh brother, there goes your credibility.

VK is a damn good fighter who may someday be considered great. Lets give him a chance to prove it first before we put him above Frazier and alike.

....How can I lose my credibility by calling Joe Frazier little? Compared to Vitali he is most definitely little. There is no debate about it.

[marvdave]

....How can I lose my credibility by calling Joe Frazier little? Compared to Vitali he is most definitely little. There is no debate about it.

If your argument is that Frazier is shorter and lighter than VK..we are in agreement. Maybe I misunderstood your comments. I thought you meant that VK hits harder than Frazier and that VK should be the favorite in a fight against Joe....my apolgies..

[Levitating]

Tyson and Holyfield weighed in the 215-220 range and they never beat anyone as big and tall as Vital. Tucker weighed the same as Tyson for their fight at 221 lbs, and Tucker is only 6'5''. So that's 6 inches in height and ZERO pounds in weight difference. The Joe Frazier that beat Ali weighed 205 lbs. and he's 5'11''. The Vitali Klitschko who fought Lewis weighed 248 lbs. and he's nearly 6'8". So that's 43 lbs in weight and 9 inches in height. That's quite a lot compared to your scenarios. How does someone not outbox their opponents when he hardly loses a round? The last time I checked he outlanded Lewis by more than 50 punches and that he was winning the fight 4 rounds to 2 when the fight was stopped on cuts. How does cutting your opponent have anything to do with outboxing him? This just in WK and VK are not the same person. VK has a great chin, WK doesn't. Do you understand?

Whats with the patronizing tone? So, u have told me the exact size difference between them. U know u get to a point when that size stops working for you and starts working against u. As a previous poster mentioned, Joe would likely have trouble for a round or 2. But when he becomes accustomed to VK size and strength he would be relentless. VK is no Ali. He is also no Foreman. Hed soak up what he could for maybe 8 or 9 rounds (at most) and when that massive weight hes carrying starts getting harder to lug around the ring Joe would have him. Fight over.

I cant believe people are so impressed with Vitalis performance against Lewis. If Vitali thinks he almost beat the real Lewis that night then he better wake up. Lewis was past his best years before that. I also think Lennox wouldve won if the fight had gone on. His experience woulda likely got him thru. Or not. Who knows. I will say this though, the biggest surprise i got from that fight was VK's chin. Yeah, he can take a shot i will give him that.

But a guy like Joe Frazier hits hard and often and hard and often and hard and often. He had Ali, who maybe had the best chin outta the whole lot of em, staggering several times and down once in their 3 fights. If VK had similiar power to Foreman then Id give him a chance but he doesnt. The night VK fought Lennox, foreman wouldve had Lewis outta there in under 4 rounds. I just dont see a way for him to beat Frazier. Thats 'my' opinion. I enjoy hearing other peoples opinions though without the need to patronise or deride. Im not that insecure about my own thoughts on the matter unlike some people.

[dodge]

vitali by ko 2

[cple]

Yes, Vitali does have a significant size advantage. Does that translate into an automatic victory? No, and it has been proven in the past. Primo Carnera had a 64 pound advantage over Joe Louis, result: Louis TKO6 Carnera. Jess Willard had a 5 inch height and 58 pound advantage, result Dempsey TKO3 Willard, in possibly the worst beating in boxing history. Now, this alone doesn't mean Frazier beats Klitschko either. It's simply just to show that a significantly larger fighter can be overcome, and sometimes dominated. Size doesn't mean anything, if you can't use it.

And i don't think Vitali can use his size effectively against Frazier, who puts on sustained pressure as good as any fighter that has ever lived.

[phallus]

Big K against Frazier? Frazier would eat him alive, you think because you saw Chris Byrd get beat up by Big K that Frazier would be the same?
****, no, though Frazier was smaller than Byrd in his prime, HE WAS A BIGGER PUNCHER! Ask someone who fought him, the VERY FACT THAT HE WAS ABLE TO KNOCK ALI DOWN shows how much power his left hook had. Ali had one of the greatest chins in boxing history, he faced some of the biggest punchers of all time, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Marciano, just to name a few, and he took their shots... I doubt Vitaly has as much power in his punches as Frazier did, and i remember seeing V.K. hammer Lennox Lewis with his best shots and Lennox took them, but one big right hand from Lennox sent him backwards into the ropes. After some trouble in the opening rounds i see Frazier KTFO Big K!

[PBDS]

Ali had one of the greatest chins in boxing history, he faced some of the biggest punchers of all time, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Marciano,



......Ali fought Marciano??? Damn I do learn something new everyday from these forums.

[dempseyfire]

...Julius Francis fought Tyson, Williams, Lewis, and Vitali. The British press wants him to predict a Williams win over big V and he won't do it because he knows the score. He predicted Tyson wold lose to Williams and he was dead on. He also says in an interview that Vitali punches just as hard as Tyson and Lewis and that all three have devastating one punch power. To say that little Bonavena or little tiny Joe Frazier punches as hard as big ass Vitali is a joke. STFU and go back to your boxing archives.

First off, being 5'11 doesn't mean your not a big puncher you clown. Bonavena was a FIT 210 lbs on a compact frame and was what David Tua should've been if he had ever gotten his ass in proper shape. And Francis can say all he wants he doesn't even remember the punches from Tyson b/c Mike KTFO him like a bad habit. Please explain to me how Klitschko can land HIS BEST PUNCH on Lewis and Sanders as many times as he did and they didn't even go down, the same Lewis who got wobbled by Mercer, Bruno, Tucker, Akinwande, Briggs etc. and knocked out by Rahman and McCall and Corrie 'golf is my true passion' Sanders who got starched by Rahman and journeyman Nate Tubbs. And the size thing is ******-Buster Mathis was 245 and 6'5 and a much better boxer then Vitali will ever be and Frazier ate him up. How could someone who doesn't know how to fight on the inside AT ALL beat Joe Frazier, the Joe Frazier who was able to get inside on Ali, who's jab and speed was in ANOTHER league to Klitschko. Frazier would bob and weave inside of Klitschko's pawing and slow lefts and rights with no problem. And Vitali was tired against Sanders, b/c Corrie managed to throw 20 second bursts a round?? Klitschko would get knocked out by his own fatigue with the work-rate and attack Frazier would provide. This really is a no-contest and if you Klitschko fans want to spout off how good he is in this era, go right ahead. But saying he would beat an all time great like Frazier just shows a lack of knowledge.

[tonytucker]

First off, being 5'11 doesn't mean your not a big puncher you clown. Bonavena was a FIT 210 lbs on a compact frame and was what David Tua should've been if he had ever gotten his ass in proper shape. And Francis can say all he wants he doesn't even remember the punches from Tyson b/c Mike KTFO him like a bad habit. Please explain to me how Klitschko can land HIS BEST PUNCH on Lewis and Sanders as many times as he did and they didn't even go down, the same Lewis who got wobbled by Mercer, Bruno, Tucker, Akinwande, Briggs etc. and knocked out by Rahman and McCall and Corrie 'golf is my true passion' Sanders who got starched by Rahman and journeyman Nate Tubbs. And the size thing is ******-Buster Mathis was 245 and 6'5 and a much better boxer then Vitali will ever be and Frazier ate him up. How could someone who doesn't know how to fight on the inside AT ALL beat Joe Frazier, the Joe Frazier who was able to get inside on Ali, who's jab and speed was in ANOTHER league to Klitschko. Frazier would bob and weave inside of Klitschko's pawing and slow lefts and rights with no problem. And Vitali was tired against Sanders, b/c Corrie managed to throw 20 second bursts a round?? Klitschko would get knocked out by his own fatigue with the work-rate and attack Frazier would provide. This really is a no-contest and if you Klitschko fans want to spout off how good he is in this era, go right ahead. But saying he would beat an all time great like Frazier just shows a lack of knowledge.

Have you ever wondered if Ali was as great as people said he was?