Klitco vs Fraizer

[Neuraxis]

Why do people insist on comparing fighters from the past to modern day fighters without taking into account how much the sport has changed? Does anyone here actually think that Larry Bird or Dominique Wilkins would be as good in today's NBA as they once were? If Vitali and Frazier each boxed during the same period, Frazier easily wins. But I just don't see anyone from the past in any sport dominating a modern day athlete. He may win, but if he did it would be close. This is all based on my predictions that Vitali will be able to hold his WBC belt for a fair amount of time. Frazier was also smaller than Byrd.

[PBDS]

Vitali is so much bigger and stronger than Frazier and I'm sure he punches harder. No way Frazier reaches him to do any damage. I don't think that fight would be competitive at all. Evolution of the sport. I also say Klit would kick Ali's ass rather easily and Foreman as well. Foreman was the sloppiest heavy in his prime. Watched the Foreman/Ali fight again the other night and I am amazed at how unskilled and slow and plodding Foreman was. He was a big puncher with no skill in his prime. He exhibited much more skill in his second coming in my opinion. Now if you wanna compare a prime Tyson or a prime Lewis or Holy then at this point in time Vitali would be overmatched. But, give the guy some time to show what he can do. I don't think he has reached his full potential yet.

[tikal]

Why do people insist on comparing fighters from the past to modern day fighters without taking into account how much the sport has changed? Does anyone here actually think that Larry Bird or Dominique Wilkins would be as good in today's NBA as they once were? If Vitali and Frazier each boxed during the same period, Frazier easily wins. But I just don't see anyone from the past in any sport dominating a modern day athlete. He may win, but if he did it would be close. This is all based on my predictions that Vitali will be able to hold his WBC belt for a fair amount of time. Frazier was also smaller than Byrd.

Did you see the USA basketball team this summer? They struggled to get a bronze. Dominique and Bird would easily dominate the NBA in this day in age. Todays heavyweight chumps like Brewster, Bird, and Ruiz wouldnt even be top 10 material in the 70's era.

[Neuraxis]

Did you see the USA basketball team this summer? They struggled to get a bronze. Dominique and Bird would easily dominate the NBA in this day in age. Todays heavyweight chumps like Brewster, Bird, and Ruiz wouldnt even be top 10 material in the 70's era.

They didn't lose because they suck. They lost because they failed to bring any shooting guards or anyone who can shoot period. If every player on the other team is just going to sit there in the paint how can the slashers or big men do much of anything. They weren't closing out at all on our three point shoots, and our guys still couldn't even make them when they were wide open because we had either point guards, forwards who are slashers and thus can't shoot outside, and big men. If it was mandatory for the NBA players who are U.S. citizens to go to the Olympics if they were chosen they would have blown every team out by 30+ points.

[techn9ne]

yes, a basketball conversation now

take this **** to the lounge

[Levitating]

Vitali is so much bigger and stronger than Frazier and I'm sure he punches harder. No way Frazier reaches him to do any damage. I don't think that fight would be competitive at all. Evolution of the sport. I also say Klit would kick Ali's ass rather easily and Foreman as well. Foreman was the sloppiest heavy in his prime. Watched the Foreman/Ali fight again the other night and I am amazed at how unskilled and slow and plodding Foreman was. He was a big puncher with no skill in his prime. He exhibited much more skill in his second coming in my opinion. Now if you wanna compare a prime Tyson or a prime Lewis or Holy then at this point in time Vitali would be overmatched. But, give the guy some time to show what he can do. I don't think he has reached his full potential yet.

When I read the title of this topic I thought it would all be one way traffic saying Frazier wins,no question. I dont get all this crap about V.K. I feel like Ive been watching a different fighter than some of you guys. The guy I watched against Lewis and Sanders has no right to be mentioned with the Fraziers and Alis. I mean, take away his size and he has nothing. 2 left feet, overated punchpower,suspect stamina and a lack of fundemental skills. I just dont get it. No way do I think Lewis retired cause he was afraid of VK. He got out cause a guy that he woulda wiped out in 4 rounds a few years ago was giving him problems. He knew he didnt have much left.

I have nothing against VK. Hell, I want a dominant champion but even with the state of the division right now its not him. The guy cant box.

A few people have mentioned that cause of advanced training methods that he would be competitive with some of the greats. Are you telling me that the Frazier that went full steam for '15' rounds against Ali wouldnt be able to handle a slow, off balance,incompetent guy like VK? I dont buy this 'modern training'crap. Sure it will make some kinda difference but how much? VK trained to go 12 rounds with Lewis and was gasping by the 5th, as was Lewis. How do u think VK would fare going down the stretch against a guy like Frazier?

I watch some of those old fight tapes and see Ali dancing in the 15 th round like its the first. The guy that mentioned that VK would beat Ali needs to watch some tapes. I would be very surprised if VK took more than 3 rounds from Ali. However Im pretty sure it wouldnt even go the distance. Ali had a chin of iron and while not being a hard hitter did hit solidly,often and with speed. VK would be so outta his depth he wouldnt have a clue what to do with the guy.

I dont think VK even deserves the respect to be mentioned in any 'who would win?' scenarios. If you insist in wondering who would win in fantasy matchups involving VK,dont go to the greats. Id say a better question would be who would win between a primeTim Witherspoon, Michael Dokes or Tony Tubbs against VK. At least Id really have to consider my predictions. But even then Id pick all 3 of those guys to beat him. Bring on the next 'real' heavyweight champion.

[Neuraxis]

Ok you are a noob, so I am going to try to be gentle. First, how does Vitali have a stamina problem? He was throwing 72 punches per round against Lewis. Second, if Vitali isn't the best out there now, then who is? Third, if he can't box, how has he outboxed everyone that he has faced. He hardly loses a round. Fourth, you don't buy this modern training crap, but what about a difference of 40 pounds in weight and 9 inches in height?

"Bring on the next real heavyweight champion." Not going anywhere? Grab a Snickers. The division is going to get much worse before it gets better. There is no one under 28 with more than 10 wins who is any good.

[tonytucker]

I think that the hieght and reach would be to much for Fraizer. I also think that prime Mike Tyson would beat fraizer. I mean I think Tyson would beat Fraizer easily.

[techn9ne]

Ok you are a noob, so I am going to try to be gentle. First, how does Vitali have a stamina problem? He was throwing 72 punches per round against Lewis. Second, if Vitali isn't the best out there now, then who is? Third, if he can't box, how has he outboxed everyone that he has faced. He hardly loses a round. Fourth, you don't buy this modern training crap, but what about a difference of 40 pounds in weight and 9 inches in height?

"Bring on the next real heavyweight champion." Not going anywhere? Grab a Snickers. The division is going to get much worse before it gets better. There is no one under 28 with more than 10 wins who is any good.

Rep points for you my brotha!

peace!

[theironone]

VK is big and strong that's it, Frazier would eat him up in a handful of rounds.
The older boxers were much better conditioned than today, even though they don't/didn't look as good 'cosmetically' - well the big boys anyway.