Klitco vs Fraizer

[PBDS]

First off, being 5'11 doesn't mean your not a big puncher you clown. Bonavena was a FIT 210 lbs on a compact frame and was what David Tua should've been if he had ever gotten his ass in proper shape. And Francis can say all he wants he doesn't even remember the punches from Tyson b/c Mike KTFO him like a bad habit. Please explain to me how Klitschko can land HIS BEST PUNCH on Lewis and Sanders as many times as he did and they didn't even go down, the same Lewis who got wobbled by Mercer, Bruno, Tucker, Akinwande, Briggs etc. and knocked out by Rahman and McCall and Corrie 'golf is my true passion' Sanders who got starched by Rahman and journeyman Nate Tubbs. And the size thing is ******-Buster Mathis was 245 and 6'5 and a much better boxer then Vitali will ever be and Frazier ate him up. How could someone who doesn't know how to fight on the inside AT ALL beat Joe Frazier, the Joe Frazier who was able to get inside on Ali, who's jab and speed was in ANOTHER league to Klitschko. Frazier would bob and weave inside of Klitschko's pawing and slow lefts and rights with no problem. And Vitali was tired against Sanders, b/c Corrie managed to throw 20 second bursts a round?? Klitschko would get knocked out by his own fatigue with the work-rate and attack Frazier would provide. This really is a no-contest and if you Klitschko fans want to spout off how good he is in this era, go right ahead. But saying he would beat an all time great like Frazier just shows a lack of knowledge.

...Hello??? Dumbass, Vitali knocked out Francis in the 2nd round as well, and Williams knocked him out in the 4th. Buster Mathis?? lol lol lol Your killing me man. Frazier has nothing at all to hurt Vitali with and he would get pushed and bullied all over the ring before getting brutaly stopped in the 2nd or 3rd round. Frazier is going to overpower Vitali and get on the inside without taking any punishment and knock him out??? The guys in the white coats are outside your door right now. Go quietly, take your meds when they tell you to, and avoid direct eye contact.

[dempseyfire]

Of course he can get on the inside b/c Frazier was one of the quickest and most skilled bobbers and weavers in history, and Vitali is a SLOW puncher. This isn't wrestling, once Frazier bobs his way in, Klitschko can do NOTHING, because the man has NO inside fighting game-no combinations, no short hooks, no uppercuts. So you're saying it'd be just like the Foreman fight, in which George, who had much faster hands then Klitschko, beat Frazier with uppercuts and short hooks, punches that Vitali doesn't even know how to throw. Yeah, real smart your analysis is. And who cares what Francis said? According to Tommy Morrison Joe Hipp was the hardest puncher he ever faced-this from a man who was put into another zone by Ray Mercer. Hae you even seen Francis-Klitschko and Francis-Tyson??? Tell me which fight Francis was hurt more in and get back to me you ignorant mutt. And of course you chose to ignore my examples of the Lewis and Sanders fights, which clearly exposed Vitali's punching power . . . .

[Neuraxis]

I don't consider Wilkens an all time elite player becuase he was strickly a ball hog/scorer who player no d and never won a thing.

The reason it is so hard to grasp for us simpletons, is becuase it is a bunch of crap. Bird,Magic,Isaiah, Moses Malone,etc would dominate today just as they did in the 80's. Todays lazy, no defense playing jungle ballers can't hold a candle to those guys. Having bigger muscles doesn't make you a better athlete. If you watch todays NBA and think they are better than the 80's, you are crazy. The best style of basketball to watch now is Europeen ball. They play true basketball. Play defense, pass the ball and know how to shoot outside of 10 feet.

I know a lot more about basketball than I do about boxing. Yes it would be nice if the NBA players actually played defense and didn't do so much one on one ball hogging. An all star team of Europeans or of 80s players would be dominated by an all star team of modern day players. Besides overall basketball skills, basketball revolves around quickness and jumping ability. Modern day NBA players would be too quick and jump too high for Byrd, Magic and others just as they are for European players today.
It'd be like Crenshaw v. the team in hoosiers. Enough said.

[Neuraxis]

Of course he can get on the inside b/c Frazier was one of the quickest and most skilled bobbers and weavers in history, and Vitali is a SLOW puncher. This isn't wrestling, once Frazier bobs his way in, Klitschko can do NOTHING, because the man has NO inside fighting game-no combinations, no short hooks, no uppercuts. So you're saying it'd be just like the Foreman fight, in which George, who had much faster hands then Klitschko, beat Frazier with uppercuts and short hooks, punches that Vitali doesn't even know how to throw. Yeah, real smart your analysis is. And who cares what Francis said? According to Tommy Morrison Joe Hipp was the hardest puncher he ever faced-this from a man who was put into another zone by Ray Mercer. Hae you even seen Francis-Klitschko and Francis-Tyson??? Tell me which fight Francis was hurt more in and get back to me you ignorant mutt. And of course you chose to ignore my examples of the Lewis and Sanders fights, which clearly exposed Vitali's punching power . . . .

You still are comparing modern day power to power in the past, which just can't do. How did Lewis and Sanders clearly expose his punching power. He respected their power too much, so he never gave them his best shot. Johnson, Francis, and others on the other hand felt his power.

Did you even see Mercer v. Morrison. That punch was pretty much squarely landed on the back of Morrison's head.

[cple]

The USA Olympic basketball team that took bronze 2004 summer games was twice as athletic and could jump three times as high as any other team. Did they dominate the lesser athletic teams such as Argentina, Puerto Rico, etc.? Nope. The true essence of basketbell, or the ingredient to success is defense and teamwork, two elements that are lost to many of today's players. This claim is solidified by the Detroit Pistons beating the much more talented Los Angeles Lakers, in the past NBA finals.

And how come we can't compare the power of today's fighters with that over past fighters? Is there solid proof that today's boxers punch harder?

[Neuraxis]

You guys obviously don't much about basketball. Here was a previous post of mine:

They didn't lose because they suck. They lost because they failed to bring any shooting guards or anyone who can shoot period. If every player on the other team is just going to sit there in the paint how can the slashers or big men do much of anything. They weren't closing out at all on our three point shoots, and our guys still couldn't even make them when they were wide open because we had either point guards, forwards who are slashers and thus can't shoot outside, and big men. If it was mandatory for the NBA players who are U.S. citizens to go to the Olympics if they were chosen they would have blown every team out by 30+ points.

[Neuraxis]

The USA Olympic basketball team that took bronze 2004 summer games was twice as athletic and could jump three times as high as any other team. Did they dominate the lesser athletic teams such as Argentina, Puerto Rico, etc.? Nope. The true essence of basketbell, or the ingredient to success is defense and teamwork, two elements that are lost to many of today's players. This claim is solidified by the Detroit Pistons beating the much more talented Los Angeles Lakers, in the past NBA finals.

And how come we can't compare the power of today's fighters with that over past fighters? Is there solid proof that today's boxers punch harder?

If all you needed was defense and teamwork in order to win, then inner city schools wouldn't completely dominate high school basketball, and the colleges with the best recruiting processes wouldn't dominate either.

I guess they didn't have that device like they had in Rocky IV that measured the pounds of pressure of Drago's punches back in the day. Its really not that hard someone who is bigger than someone else is going to throw harder punches than than the smaller more often than not. Why do you think that boxers lose their power when they move up in weight?

[marvdave]

I know a lot more about basketball than I do about boxing. Yes it would be nice if the NBA players actually played defense and didn't do so much one on one ball hogging. An all star team of Europeans or of 80s players would be dominated by an all star team of modern day players. Besides overall basketball skills, basketball revolves around quickness and jumping ability. Modern day NBA players would be too quick and jump too high for Byrd, Magic and others just as they are for European players today.
It'd be like Crenshaw v. the team in hoosiers. Enough said.

kind of like the Olympics this year with USA. Talent wise, they should have won every game by 30 points.

[Neuraxis]

kind of like the Olympics this year with USA. Talent wise, they should have won every game by 30 points.

See above post.

[marvdave]

You guys obviously don't much about basketball. Here was a previous post of mine:

They didn't lose because they suck. They lost because they failed to bring any shooting guards or anyone who can shoot period. If every player on the other team is just going to sit there in the paint how can the slashers or big men do much of anything. They weren't closing out at all on our three point shoots, and our guys still couldn't even make them when they were wide open because we had either point guards, forwards who are slashers and thus can't shoot outside, and big men. If it was mandatory for the NBA players who are U.S. citizens to go to the Olympics if they were chosen they would have blown every team out by 30+ points.

we agree on the shooter theory. Whoever picked the team..is an idiot.

on the previous point..I'm astounded and can't even bring myself to argue with you on the 80's players. How can you say Magic,Bird and Jordan are not as good as the current players. I know you didn't mention Jordan by name, but if you say Magic and Bird, its the same thing. It's so absurd, I think your probably screwing with me and don't really mean it.


I guess Bob Gibson is not as good as Mark Mulder either?