Klitco vs Fraizer

[Panzergirl]

you never get tired of exposing yourself for the useless dreamers that you are. please, go clean ahead, predict that williams will knock vitalli (pronounce white-ally) in 4. just do it!

as for this frazier character, does'ent he look a little punchy these days, took a little many hard punches to the head maybe?

in his day he came on like the energizer bunny, he'd land on ali for 15 rounds and scarsely put him down.. this should TELL you something..

vitalli with his devastating punching power and the word is soviet style latteral movement would make frazier look like just another one of them fools he's dropping all over.

what foreman did to frazier vitalli vould do in the opening round, only he would make frazier look even more comical in the process.

vitalli is a matador with a soviet matador style, and all you ****** bull****ters will never get that.

keep droppin'!

[theironone]

So because our opinion is different to yours then we are bull****ters!! Please - get real.
Frazier only knocking Ali down in all those rounds does tell me something that Ali's chin was very good.
Vitali quit against Byrd when he was kicking his ass, got rocked by an out of shape semi retired fighter and got cut to ribbons by an out of shape lewis who through lack of conditioning had to throw one or two big shots at a time, now because we obviously disagree on Vitali maybe your the bull****ter, but i think not - maybe it's just that you see things differently to me which is exactly what these boards are about.
It's called difference of opinion but there is not alot of need for insults.
Don't get me wrong i don't think VK is a bum i do think he's the no 1 heavy but he is the best of a bad bunch imo, so in that respect i don't think he's that much to shout about

[Levitating]

Ok you are a noob, so I am going to try to be gentle. First, how does Vitali have a stamina problem? He was throwing 72 punches per round against Lewis. Second, if Vitali isn't the best out there now, then who is? Third, if he can't box, how has he outboxed everyone that he has faced. He hardly loses a round. Fourth, you don't buy this modern training crap, but what about a difference of 40 pounds in weight and 9 inches in height?

"Bring on the next real heavyweight champion." Not going anywhere? Grab a Snickers. The division is going to get much worse before it gets better. There is no one under 28 with more than 10 wins who is any good.

Firstly, I may be a noob to this board but not to boxing. Ive got 19 years under my belt as a fan. Secondly I never said he wasnt the best heavyweight out there. I know how poor the division is at the moment and thats the only reason that guy even has a belt.

I didnt say modern training wouldnt play some kinda part in this fantasy matchup but it wouldnt be enough to turn the tables. I think VK best case scenario would look like a rerun of Tyson-Tucker and thats being kind. Both tyson and Holyfield fought many guys taller or heavier. They were both great fighters so they adjusted. I cant even believe Im having to justify why I think Joe freaking Frazier would wipe out VK. This shouldnt even be a topic. The guy has barely started his reign. We should at least wait till hes done something.

And yeah I do think he has a stamina problem. No way do Ia see him coming off the stool for the 13th round against a Frazier with pop in his punches or juice in his legs. Hes damn lucky the division is as bad as it is. We wouldnt even be talking about him if hed came around during the early-mid 90's.

I dont think he has outboxed everyone hes faced. Hes used intimidation, reach and strength to beat the so-so guys out there. The time will come when he loses his opponents respect maybe from a knockdown or close fight. When that happens every guy that gets in the ring with him will realy believe they can beat him just like whats happening to his brother. WK is never gonna have it as easy as he did before and the same fate awaits VK. Regardless, is it that much to boast about saying that he outboxed everyone he faced with the exception of Lewis? The divisions a mess. Could he have done what Bowe did to Hollyfield in that first fight? No chance. Hell, if Sanders had been fighting regularly and was in shape when they fought he might have beat him.

[cple]

in his day he came on like the energizer bunny, he'd land on ali for 15 rounds and scarsely put him down.. this should TELL you something..

vitalli with his devastating punching power and the word is soviet style latteral movement would make frazier look like just another one of them fools he's dropping all over.

what foreman did to frazier vitalli vould do in the opening round, only he would make frazier look even more comical in the process.

vitalli is a matador with a soviet matador style, and all you ****** bull****ters will never get that.

keep droppin'!

So you think Frazier is a light hitter because he could only knock Ali down once? I suppose Foreman and Liston were weak punchers too. Frazier hurt Ali, who could take punishment just about as good as any fighter in history, on numerous occasions. I seriously doubt that Vitali would be able to hit Ali cleanly, let alone hurt him.

And Vitali would destroy Frazier worse than Foreman did? Firstly, the Frazier that fought Foreman wasn't in his prime and about 10 pounds overweight. Secondly, Vitali fights nothing like Foreman, nor does he have anything close to George's power. It was Foreman's wide, looping, hooks, and especially the left uppercut that did Frazier in. Vitali's punches are sometimes sloppy and off balance, but they are straighter than Foreman's. But i think those straight punches would make it hard for Vitali to nail Frazier, whose bob and weave defense if severely underrated.

Vitali would possibly disrupt Frazier in the early rounds due to his tremendous size advantage. However, i see Frazier weather an initial storm, and coming on very strong in the mid rounds and getting on the inside, where he does serious damage. I don't think Vitali would be able to take the punishment and Joe closes the show.

[Neuraxis]

So because our opinion is different to yours then we are bull****ters!! Please - get real.
Frazier only knocking Ali down in all those rounds does tell me something that Ali's chin was very good.
Vitali quit against Byrd when he was kicking his ass, got rocked by an out of shape semi retired fighter and got cut to ribbons by an out of shape lewis who through lack of conditioning had to throw one or two big shots at a time, now because we obviously disagree on Vitali maybe your the bull****ter, but i think not - maybe it's just that you see things differently to me which is exactly what these boards are about.
It's called difference of opinion but there is not alot of need for insults.
Don't get me wrong i don't think VK is a bum i do think he's the no 1 heavy but he is the best of a bad bunch imo, so in that respect i don't think he's that much to shout about

Why are you downplaying the hardest hitting southpaw in recent memory's punching power?

[Neuraxis]

Firstly, I may be a noob to this board but not to boxing. Ive got 19 years under my belt as a fan. Secondly I never said he wasnt the best heavyweight out there. I know how poor the division is at the moment and thats the only reason that guy even has a belt.

I didnt say modern training wouldnt play some kinda part in this fantasy matchup but it wouldnt be enough to turn the tables. I think VK best case scenario would look like a rerun of Tyson-Tucker and thats being kind. Both tyson and Holyfield fought many guys taller or heavier. They were both great fighters so they adjusted. I cant even believe Im having to justify why I think Joe freaking Frazier would wipe out VK. This shouldnt even be a topic. The guy has barely started his reign. We should at least wait till hes done something.

And yeah I do think he has a stamina problem. No way do Ia see him coming off the stool for the 13th round against a Frazier with pop in his punches or juice in his legs. Hes damn lucky the division is as bad as it is. We wouldnt even be talking about him if hed came around during the early-mid 90's.

I dont think he has outboxed everyone hes faced. Hes used intimidation, reach and strength to beat the so-so guys out there. The time will come when he loses his opponents respect maybe from a knockdown or close fight. When that happens every guy that gets in the ring with him will realy believe they can beat him just like whats happening to his brother. WK is never gonna have it as easy as he did before and the same fate awaits VK. Regardless, is it that much to boast about saying that he outboxed everyone he faced with the exception of Lewis? The divisions a mess. Could he have done what Bowe did to Hollyfield in that first fight? No chance. Hell, if Sanders had been fighting regularly and was in shape when they fought he might have beat him.

Tyson and Holyfield weighed in the 215-220 range and they never beat anyone as big and tall as Vital. Tucker weighed the same as Tyson for their fight at 221 lbs, and Tucker is only 6'5''. So that's 6 inches in height and ZERO pounds in weight difference. The Joe Frazier that beat Ali weighed 205 lbs. and he's 5'11''. The Vitali Klitschko who fought Lewis weighed 248 lbs. and he's nearly 6'8". So that's 43 lbs in weight and 9 inches in height. That's quite a lot compared to your scenarios. How does someone not outbox their opponents when he hardly loses a round? The last time I checked he outlanded Lewis by more than 50 punches and that he was winning the fight 4 rounds to 2 when the fight was stopped on cuts. How does cutting your opponent have anything to do with outboxing him? This just in WK and VK are not the same person. VK has a great chin, WK doesn't. Do you understand?

[dempseyfire]

Frazier would beat Klitschko just on stamina alone, nevermind sueprior skills, toughness, and quickness. He would murder Vitali with a vicious body attack. And please no comparisons to Foreman, b/c Klitschko doesn't have near the power of George and Foreman beat Frazier with a punch Klitschko doesn't even know how throw properly, the uppercut. Bonavena hits harder then Vitali and Frazier took his best shots and kept coming . . .

[PBDS]

Tyson and Holyfield weighed in the 215-220 range and they never beat anyone as big and tall as Vital. Tucker weighed the same as Tyson for their fight at 221 lbs, and Tucker is only 6'5''. So that's 6 inches in height and ZERO pounds in weight difference. The Joe Frazier that beat Ali weighed 205 lbs. and he's 5'11''. The Vitali Klitschko who fought Lewis weighed 248 lbs. and he's nearly 6'8". So that's 43 lbs in weight and 9 inches in height. That's quite a lot compared to your scenarios. How does someone not outbox their opponents when he hardly loses a round? The last time I checked he outlanded Lewis by more than 50 punches and that he was winning the fight 4 rounds to 2 when the fight was stopped on cuts. How does cutting your opponent have anything to do with outboxing him? This just in WK and VK are not the same person. VK has a great chin, WK doesn't. Do you understand?

....Your exactly right, and when Vitali stays on top for the next 4 or 5 years then the doubters will see that they were wrong about him. He is going to be a tough guy for anyone to beat over the next several years. His reign is gonna be a long one. Even so, the doubters will probably just say that he fought when the heavy division was weak and he won't get his due. No matter what he does your gonna have guys talk about his skills and coordination. Steward says he is one of the best big athletes he has ever seen. His style may be awkward but he is extremely skilled and extremely talented. Everybody underestimates him until they get in the ring with him, feel his power, and see that he isn't easy to hit and even harder to hurt. Then it's like "oh ****".

[Neuraxis]

How did Bonavena hit harder than Vitali. When Julius Francis said that Vitali hits just as hard as Tyson. Another guy who is 5'11'' and weighs less than Byrd, now hits harder than Vitali. You guys really need to wake up.

[PBDS]

Frazier would beat Klitschko just on stamina alone, nevermind sueprior skills, toughness, and quickness. He would murder Vitali with a vicious body attack. And please no comparisons to Foreman, b/c Klitschko doesn't have near the power of George and Foreman beat Frazier with a punch Klitschko doesn't even know how throw properly, the uppercut. Bonavena hits harder then Vitali and Frazier took his best shots and kept coming . . .

...Julius Francis fought Tyson, Williams, Lewis, and Vitali. The British press wants him to predict a Williams win over big V and he won't do it because he knows the score. He predicted Tyson wold lose to Williams and he was dead on. He also says in an interview that Vitali punches just as hard as Tyson and Lewis and that all three have devastating one punch power. To say that little Bonavena or little tiny Joe Frazier punches as hard as big ass Vitali is a joke. STFU and go back to your boxing archives.