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  • CottoOverrated1
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    #41
    Originally posted by Technical_Skill
    Yes i am, thing is some of these other guys are not.

    Thats the problem.

    for real, thats what makes it no so far fetched that you could have been serious. btw people dont get this: hopkins went up in weight and bear tarver at 41 or 42 years old. thats sick. joe aint goinna be on hopkins level when joe is over 40. those legs will get old. once his legs are shot. joe isnt going to be on that same level. dude has amazing ability tho. amazng.

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    • RisAri0
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      #42
      simply becuz the man knows how to win a fight...boring, ugly, dirty.. anyway you put it he still picks up that W, and thats what matters...so he lost to jermaine twice in a weight class where he was overdue to move up, big deal...in a way he's redeemed his losses by fighting Tarver (bhop loss to jones) and Winky (winky draw to taylor)...right now he's making fights that are intriguing and winning them so far...

      he's probly the best post-prime fighter out there doing it right now...p4p or not, let the man show us why and how he's a winner...

      hopkins just makes u go "he was not supposed to win that fight!" .... but he does it..

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      • dustybin
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        #43
        Originally posted by Technical_Skill
        Might have something to do with Hopkins fighting much better fighters than Calzaghe, and also the fact he has beaten better fighters than Calzaghe has.

        And no, for the 100th time, Mikkel Kessler is not better than De La Hoya, or Winky Wright or Roy Jones Jr.
        Kessler at 28 and at SM is better than Winky at 170 or DeLaHoya at 160.

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        • Wiley Hyena
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          #44
          Originally posted by Technical_Skill
          1) He should have fought roy jones, dont tell me Jones was afraid to fight him, but wasnt afriad of James Toney, i dont buy it.

          2) He should have moved up time ago, Fights against Evans ashira and tocker pudwill dont make legacies.

          Now tell me the names on calzaghe's list that are better than De la hoya, trinidad, tarver, winky wright and Roy Jones,

          Name please, no excuses, or skirting around the issue, just names.
          This post is compete ****. Here's why Calzaghe never faced Jones (from HBO Boxing):

          JOE CALZAGHE

          updated November 03, 2007

          Elite fighter Joe Calzaghe will defend his WBO World Super Middleweight title for a record-tying 21st consecutive time on November 3 against his WBA/WBC counterpart Mikkel Kessler.

          The super-fight will take place at the magnificent Millennium Stadium, Cardiff, Wales, in front of an estimated 60,000 gate. The world record indoor attendance for a fight - 63,500 - is under threat in the biggest show to be held in the UK for decades.

          "This is the only fight I want because a victory over Kessler will mean the most to my career at this point," said Calzaghe. "It will mean more than the beating I gave Jeff Lacy when we unified our titles, and even more than my win over Chris Eubank, which began my world title reign 10 years ago. I'm No. 1 in the division today and I'll be No. 1 in the division after we fight. November 3 can't come quick enough."
          ....
          On October 11, 1997, Joe faced his moment of truth on 'The Full Monty' card in Sheffield. That night he faced British boxing legend Chris Eubank for the vacant WBO super-middleweight championship.

          Taking part in his 22nd WBO world title fight, Eubank obviously had the experience over his untested southpaw rival.

          What Chris did not have, however, was the youth, speed and fitness of his opponent, and it showed.

          Eubank was unceremoniously dumped on the canvas in the first round, and after 12 ferocious rounds, Calzaghe was declared the new champion. Calzaghe's concussive fists had ushered in a glorious new era in Welsh boxing.

          Since that night, in Sheffield, Calzaghe has made a staggering 20 defences and has extended his winning run to 43 fights with 32 early finishes. His world title reign will celebrate its 10th year on October 11.

          He is now the current longest-reigning world champion in boxing, and he has also picked up an MBE for his services to the sport. His ultimate target is Joe Louis' record 25 consecutive world title defences, and he wouldn't mind equaling Rocky Marciano's 49-0 slate.

          "Surpassing Holmes and Hopkins and tying Ottke means a lot to me and it's a great incentive to train hard for this fight," said Calzaghe. "But let's forget about Louis. I don't know if I want to take his record, he's a legend."

          Among the highlights of his near 10 years as a world champion are hard-fought wins over big British rivals Robin Reid and Richie Woodhall, wars with Omar Sheika, Byron Mitchell and Charles Brewer and masterclasses against Mario Veit and Mger Mkrtchian.

          In the Mitchell fight, Calzaghe found himself on the floor for the first time as an amateur or professional, but rose from the canvas to sensationally stop his American opponent in the same round.

          Kabary Salem also had Calzaghe down, but apart from those two blips, his chin has proved resolute.

          Sheika couldn't budge him as the two went toe-to-toe at Wembley, while Brewer hit him with everything bar the kitchen sink but still couldn't make a dent.

          Even when the odds have been stacked against him Joe has found a way to win - in May 2005 he was forced to travel to Germany after Veit's backers bid more than £1million for a WBO world title defence.

          Once there though Calzaghe concluded the business in just six rounds.

          With his lightening fast hand-speed and power punching, plus his awkward southpaw stance, it is easy to understand why the so called elite American fighters are reluctant to face Calzaghe.

          Americans like Roy Jones Jr, Antonio Tarver, Jermain Taylor and Hopkins have made unrealistic financial demands when offered fights, while Clinton Woods has also turned down more-than generous offers.

          A father of three, Calzaghe is proud of his Italian roots and regularly holidays in the country where his father/trainer Enzo was born.

          Calzaghe has trained with his dad since the day he went professional, and the gym also boasts interim WBO World Cruiserweight king Enzo Maccarinelli, Commonwealth light-middleweight champion Bradley Pryce plus prospects Gavin Rees, Nathan Cleverley and Kerry Hope.
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          He didn't fight Jones, Hopkins, etc..because they didn't want Calzaghe. It's as simple as that. So pull your head out of your ass.

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          • Technical_Skill
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            #45
            Originally posted by Wiley Hyena

            He didn't fight Jones, Hopkins, etc..because they didn't want Calzaghe. It's as simple as that. So pull your head out of your ass.
            Are you ****in nuts or summin. explain this please.

            This year Roy Jones offered to take a 40% split to come to wales and fight calzaghe, calzaghe declined.

            How the **** is roy dodging Joe? and HBO dont get on with Jones anymore anyways, they didnt wanna show any of his fights, no wonder you can read **** like that on their website.

            So, Roy Jones will move to 168 and fight James Joney who was undeafeated, but he is afraid of Joe calzaghe?

            Hilarious ****.

            And you still couldnt even answer the question you quoted.

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            • Sttuddahboy619
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              #46
              Maybe cuz he defeated Winky,who was still in the top five P4P list. You can make an argument that Winky didn't fought well that night or whatever but the reality remains that he was still rank among the best and Hopkins desereved the credit who can out to win!

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              • mick66
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                #47
                Originally posted by CottoOverrated1
                I hope you're joking
                God your ****ing sharp ..**** for brains...

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                • Run
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by mick66
                  Winky Wright doesn't count.....He was out of shape...
                  lol Wright was out of shape when he fought Hopkins but Eubank wasn't 100 years old when he fought JC?



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                  • Addison
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by mick66
                    Can someone explain why Hopkins is rated so high on peoples P4P list when he suffered two defeats against Taylor....{who has himself just lost) and beat an out of shape Winky..

                    Anyway...please enlighten me to your thoughts on Hopkins being rated higher than say....Oh I don't know......Calzaghe for example..


                    By the way...No way Hopkins fights Calzaghe...he's ducked him in the past and knows he'll get his ass kicked if they fight now...

                    Just as well as Hopkins would make it a boring scrap..
                    First of all, both loses to Taylor were close, disputed losses. Particularly the first, which many Boxing establishment insiders felt was incorrectly scored in favor of Jermain Taylor when it should have been a draw.

                    Then Hopkins went on to dominate elite light heavyweight Antonio Tarver, after which he again defied the odds and significantly outpointed fellow P4P laureate Winky "unbeatable" Wright.

                    No reason to be confused.

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                    • Mozza
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Technical_Skill
                      Might have something to do with Hopkins fighting much better fighters than Calzaghe, and also the fact he has beaten better fighters than Calzaghe has.

                      And no, for the 100th time, Mikkel Kessler is not better than De La Hoya, or Winky Wright or Roy Jones Jr.
                      Hopkins has only fought one fighter who is clearly better than Calzaghe and that was about 15 years ago.

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