I was MUCH less impressed than Lamps, Max and the ****

[pesticid]

Most recently UFC has had PPV's cards in England with great success according to UFC officials, otherwise why would they go back there?

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

**** the money situation, but that was a great performance by Calzaghe and I was very impressed.

It was an excellent performance by JC and a very good fight.

I just have a perception of "special fighter". That is SRL, Pernell, Hagler. RJJ, even.

I think Joe is a very good fighter, and I have said that he is deserving of a top four-ish P4P slot. But I don't think he is a "special" fighter.

[pesticid]

Why wouldn't HBO decide to RETAIN their broadcast right and to get the higher margin by NOT having to work though a third-party entity (like Alpine, for example) to acquire the distribution rights?

Even if HBO used it's own licensing arm, it is stiill less than ideal. They would operate under a lower-revenue model without the executive producer credit.

Who would retain re-broadcast right? HBO? Or Sky?

How would the residual rights stream work?
I'm interested to hear your answers.

Wasn't Tyson vs Lewis broadcasted by both Showtime and HBO?

[THe TRiNiTY]

I don't fall for your response shots. I'm not joepal, I'm not an idiot. I say the fights, you say the reason that you think they failed, or why in that case it worked. That doesn't happen with me, you can try that with someone else, some other time.

You don't get what I'm saying. HBO STILL AIRS THE PPV OVER HERE, AT THE SAME TIME. The fans over there, CLEARLY don't give a **** about what time the fight happens, as 50,000 plus were AT THE FIGHT. I'm sure they'd stay up to order the fight, regardless of how late it is. As they have with Hatton and his fights. he had a very big crowd wfor his bout with Kostya Tszyu. Nice numbers in terms of ratings, from what I've heard and imagine what it'd be like with Mayweather.

Working out the deal, completely a moot point. It's essentially the same deal. Same fighters, get the same money, and more with the live gate. HBO still works the deal, because it's still an HBO PPV. I don't understand why you think the American dollar would be less. It's the same time for America that they'd get other fights to happen, it's only affected by U.K. PPVs, and you have no numbers to tell me that that would affect it either. Hatton and Calzaghe have fans willing to stay up as late as need be. Plus, the gate is stronger.

The PPV numbers for America wont be affected. THe U.K., I have no reason to believe, would be either. And the gate would be bigger. HBO has no reason to pay either fighter anything less then they are getting now.

If the undercard was THAT BIG of a deal, they could have the undercard take place in America, it's not that big of a deal to have the fights take place in different areas. HBO recently did that, as a mater of fact.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Most recently UFC has had PPV's cards in England with great success according to UFC officials, otherwise why would they go back there?

I am willing to give you EXACTLY what US PPV's have made. Now, tell me what the PPV revs have been for UFC events.

You are comparing the UFC, which is an organization with little instrastructure and cost base to a publicly-traded media company with enormous capital expenditures.

Top UFC fighters make A FRACTION of what top boxers make.

THE COST STRUCTURE (AND RESULTING, PROFIT MARGINS) ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

Why does that confuse you?

[THe TRiNiTY]

Why wouldn't HBO decide to RETAIN their broadcast right and to get the higher margin by NOT having to work though a third-party entity (like Alpine, for example) to acquire the distribution rights?

Even if HBO used it's own licensing arm, it is stiill less than ideal. They would operate under a lower-revenue model without the executive producer credit.

Who would retain re-broadcast right? HBO? Or Sky?

How would the residual rights stream work?

I'm interested to hear your answers.

It's HBO's fight, they'd work the deal to fit them best. And no one would have room to really bargin. I'm not arguing that, and I don't see how you assume HBO loses this fight, they don't. You think HBO isn't big enough to get what they want in another country? Re-broadcast goes with HBO. HBO has contracts for both fighters, but if they get a cut of foreign PPVs, which they COULD do, it's not a problem to open up shop with another PPV system in Europe. Essentially, it's the same thing when Don King airs his version of his PPV, and has it primarily on HBO. This would just have a "foreign" element to it. Nothing major, in all honesty.

You make it out like they all have the same options. They don't. HBO calls the shots, and they could do so to earn money, very well.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Wasn't Tyson vs Lewis broadcasted by both Showtime and HBO?

1) do you remember how contentious the negotiations were and why it didn't happen for so long?

2) where did it happen? ON US soil. IN A CASINO TOWN.

Right?

[SkillspayBills]

Why wouldn't HBO decide to RETAIN their broadcast right and to get the higher margin by NOT having to work though a third-party entity (like Alpine, for example) to acquire the distribution rights?

Even if HBO used it's own licensing arm, it is stiill less than ideal. They would operate under a lower-revenue model without the executive producer credit.

Who would retain re-broadcast right? HBO? Or Sky?

How would the residual rights stream work?

I'm interested to hear your answers.

Damn C-drone you went and unleashed a beast.

[pesticid]

I am willing to give you EXACTLY what US PPV's have made. Now, tell me what the PPV revs have been for UFC events.

You are comparing the UFC, which is an organization with little instrastructure and cost base to a publicly-traded media company with enormous capital expenditures.

Top UFC fighters make A FRACTION of what top boxers make.

THE COST STRUCTURE (AND RESULTING, PROFIT MARGINS) ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

Why does that confuse you?

PPV is PPV, whether an Organization such as UFC distributes as much from it PPV's as boxing does is another story. However, getting the PPV's is the same thing for WWE, UFC and Boxing. So I am not confused one bit.

UFC does not provide PPV figures either on domestic cards or international card, at least not that I know of.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Damn C-drone you went and unleashed a beast.

Not really. He doesn't work for HBO. So, his ideas as to what model they'd have to work under, are at best, an educated guess. Nothing more impressive than anything else anyone here has said.

For the record, I'm not calling him dumb, he's smarter than most here, he just assumes that America is the only market for profitable boxing and that's unfounded.