Hatton v. Tszyu...the truth

[Wiley Hyena]

Then what was your intent in posting the Tszyu-Gonzales and DLH-Gonzales fights?

If you'll recall, the issue was Floyd's win over Oscar v. Hatton's win over Tszyu. I responded to attacks on Tszyu with a comparison fight...that being the Gonzales fight, which I think clearly distinguished prime Tszyu and prime Oscar at 135/140. (I know there are other common competitors, but those fights don't really clarify who was better at 135/140, IMO) It furthermore clearly distinguishes what the young prime Oscar looked like compared to the older Oscar that fought Floyd. It shows alot of diminishment. Alot, IMO. On the other hand, Tszyu's skills remained intact at the time of the Hatton fight. I look at Tszyu's p4p status in and around the time of the Hatton fight and Tszyu's recent destruction of Mitchell for verification of this.

Don't read too much into Gonzales. I'm not saying for sure that Tszyu would have dominated Oscar at 135/140. I am saying that Tszyu would have beaten Oscar, IMO. I don't think Oscar is top 5 in Jr. WW in last 30 years. I do believe Tszyu is top 2 (along with Pryor). If you'll go review the literature, you will find many boxing experts agreeing Tszyu is in the top 3 Jr. WWs in modern times.

[Unseen]

Have you EVER made a thread that didn't have to do with Floyd Mayweather, Ricky Hatton, or Kosta Tszyu? Put all your points on the fight against some of mine or we can just bet that the loser leaves the site. Your choice.

gimme 5-1 odds if your so confident mayweather will win. i bet all my points on that

well take it if only you are 100% confident mayweather will win. thanks.

[Wiley Hyena]

But, Zab was never the same after Tszyu...career wise.

What does that mean Wiley , I take it like a lot of your smoke and mirror answers in that it did stall his forward career profile but I feel like your trying to say he was not the same fighter and I cant agree with that , for mine as a fighter he was better after KT more settled more mature but still chinny , before KT he had fought nobody and was just a young hotshot ,, he tried to blast KT out when he should have just boxed , he tried to get a rematch many times with KT after that and like Phillips was not granted one .

KT lost a lot of respect for the whole Phillips deal and he ran from Phillips like a thief , Phillips tried to get another fight with him at every turn , but KT ran blatantly from Phillips FACT , every other champ trys for redemption after a big loss yet the great KT ran from a journeyman and then he quit on his stool , this you cannot deny and it has tarnished his legacy forever !

I think by your post that you just don't like Tszyu. I know this is true from all your posts. So, I really don't expect you to be objective about Tszyu. Anyone that continually raises his lone prime career loss over and over to try and justify their negative opinion of Tszyu, is just biased. It's that simple.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

If you'll recall, the issue was Floyd's win over Oscar v. Hatton's win over Tszyu. I responded to attacks on Tszyu with a comparison fight...that being the Gonzales fight, which I think clearly distinguished prime Tszyu and prime Oscar at 135/140. (I know there are other common competitors, but those fights don't really clarify who was better at 135/140, IMO) .

I think the best 'common opponent' to use for DLH/Tszyu is Rafael Ruelas.

I need you to help me understand why MAG is a better common opponent.

Thanks in advance.

[Wiley Hyena]

Zab has a weakness. Actually, two: his will, and his durability. All Tszyu did was EXPOSE what was already there. Tszyu didn't wreck or ruin Zab. And in many ways, Zab was a better fighter post-Tszyu than pre-Tszyu.


Wiley, you are using a double-standard again.

Last night, you said that it was a credit to Tszyu that after he got knocked out, he came back like champion.

Well, apply that same approach here: after KT knocked out zab, ZJ went on to become the undisputed WW champion of the world.

I see what you're saying...as a matter of principal. But, looking at Zab, IMO, he really never was the same after the Tszyu fight. ON the other hand, Tszyu made history after his loss to Phillips, and KOd Zab to boot.

[Unseen]

I think the best 'common opponent' to use for DLH/Tszyu is Rafael Ruelas.

I need you to help me understand why MAG is a better common opponent.

Thanks in advance.

hatton beaten kosta is mroe than mayweathe rbeating oscar. i mean oscar gave mayweather 3 free rounds. also oscar is promoting hatton and floyld so erm the lost was nciely because npow they can call it undefeated oscars a clever guy. he didnt demand a rematch...

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

I think by your post that you just don't like Tszyu. I know this is true from all your posts. So, I really don't expect you to be objective about Tszyu. Anyone that continually raises his lone prime career loss over and over to try and justify their negative opinion of Tszyu, is just biased. It's that simple.

Anyone that continually raises his lone prime career loss over and over to try and justify their negative opinion of Floyd, is just biased.


Would that be a fair statement?

[RodBarker]

KT lost a lot of respect for the whole Phillips deal and he ran from Phillips like a thief , Phillips tried to get another fight with him at every turn , but KT ran blatantly from Phillips FACT , every other champ trys for redemption after a big loss yet the great KT ran from a journeyman and then he quit on his stool , this you cannot deny and it has tarnished his legacy forever !

No comment Wiley , you totally ignore the most glaring statement KT ever made as a fighter like it never happened , this is why your views are so biased and so lacking in provable fact , your just blowing sunshine with not a leg to stand on .

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

I see what you're saying...as a matter of principal. But, looking at Zab, IMO, he really never was the same after the Tszyu fight. ON the other hand, Tszyu made history after his loss to Phillips, and KOd Zab to boot.

In what way was Zab never the same? Zab's best performances were AFTER Tszyu.

Spinks, Mayweather and Cotto are the fights that earned Zab the most credit in his entire career....no?

[RodBarker]

hatton beaten kosta is mroe than mayweathe rbeating oscar. i mean oscar gave mayweather 3 free rounds. also oscar is promoting hatton and floyld so erm the lost was nciely because npow they can call it undefeated oscars a clever guy. he didnt demand a rematch...

How do you figure that , what fighter of Phillips standing has a win over Oscar !

Oscars resume makes KTs look ordinary !

Floyd gave him 14 lbs in weight !

Who did you pick to win Oscar or Floyd ? and why ?