Hatton v. Tszyu...the truth

[Wiley Hyena]

This is to Wiley,

Why don't you give credit to Floyd for beating Zab Judah.. yet you give credit to Kostya Tszyu for beating Ruelas, Gonzalez, Chavez and Leija, ALL AFTER OSCAR BEAT THEM FIRST, and with the exclusion of Gonzalez, did it more impressively, each time.

Well I'm not sure about the "did it more impressively" part of that. lol

But, who said I'm not giving credit to Floyd beating Zab? A win is a win is a win. But, Zab was never the same after Tszyu...career wise. Floyd's UD over Zab was a win, but it wasn't one of his biggest victories. Oscar is Floyd's biggest claim to fame, IMO.

[Maxy]

Ok, I understand.

Floyd needs to uncork a Corrales-esque/Gatti-esque.

Cool?

Really can't see us witnessing anything like either of those fights.

[Wiley Hyena]

Ok, I understand.

For Floyd to validate his claims of all-time greatness, he must not only squeak by hatton, but he must put on a performance.

The Patriots are getting credit this year because they are DOMINATING people. Not ekeing out 17-13 wins.

Floyd needs to uncork a Corrales-esque/Gatti-esque.

Cool?

That works........

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

These threads are getting dumber by the minute ,, now Floyd must win a certain way or it dont count , geeez heard it all now ,,,, a boxing ring is not very big place fellas , your saying that if superman Hatton cant catch him while Floyd is doing a speed ball job on Rickys head it dont count but if Ricky got a hit and hold pts win that would count ,,, you guys are not boxing fans at all just Floyd haters and thats all your agenda is in these constant bash Floyd threads .

That is why it's important to actually have these conversations. Because people can usually conceal their true biases, motivations, secret agendas, etc for a short time. But the more they talk, the more and more that leaks out.

I'm actually OK with Wiley or whoever else wanting a dominant performance. Because I genuinely EXPECT to see one.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Really can't see us witnessing anything like either of those fights.

But truth be told, people said the same thing prior to those fights, also.

We didn't expect Calzaghe/Lacy. Or Winky/Trinidad.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Well I'm not sure about the "did it more impressively" part of that. lol

But, who said I'm not giving credit to Floyd beating Zab? A win is a win is a win. But, Zab was never the same after Tszyu...career wise. Floyd's UD over Zab was a win, but it wasn't one of his biggest victories. Oscar is Floyd's biggest claim to fame, IMO.

I saw the Chavez fight, and Oscar busted his old ass up, giving him his 2 loss, career-loss (That was counted) And he did it twice. I believe Kostya gave him his 4th or 5th. And in 6 rounds, when he was quite a bit older. Oscar did it in 4 and 8.

Rafael Ruelas was beaten by Oscar first, and in TWO rounds, not the nine rounds it took Kostya.

Gonzalez, I admit, was beaten better by Kostya.

Lieja, Oscar beat before and in TWO rounds, as it took Kostya SIX rounds.

Care to explain what you don't know about Oscar beating them more impressively?

(NOTE: You said that after Castillo, only Oscar and Baldy were credible opponents) I realize you think Zab was never the same after Kostya Tszyu, that's true. He wasn't undefeated, anymore. But he did end up becoming the TRUE welterweight champion, so.. there's that.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Well I'm not sure about the "did it more impressively" part of that. lol

But, who said I'm not giving credit to Floyd beating Zab? A win is a win is a win. But, Zab was never the same after Tszyu...career wise. Floyd's UD over Zab was a win, but it wasn't one of his biggest victories. Oscar is Floyd's biggest claim to fame, IMO.

Then what was your intent in posting the Tszyu-Gonzales and DLH-Gonzales fights?

[RodBarker]

Well I'm not sure about the "did it more impressively" part of that. lol

But, who said I'm not giving credit to Floyd beating Zab? A win is a win is a win. But, Zab was never the same after Tszyu...career wise. Floyd's UD over Zab was a win, but it wasn't one of his biggest victories. Oscar is Floyd's biggest claim to fame, IMO.

But, Zab was never the same after Tszyu...career wise.

What does that mean Wiley , I take it like a lot of your smoke and mirror answers in that it did stall his forward career profile but I feel like your trying to say he was not the same fighter and I cant agree with that , for mine as a fighter he was better after KT more settled more mature but still chinny , before KT he had fought nobody and was just a young hotshot ,, he tried to blast KT out when he should have just boxed , he tried to get a rematch many times with KT after that and like Phillips was not granted one .

KT lost a lot of respect for the whole Phillips deal and he ran from Phillips like a thief , Phillips tried to get another fight with him at every turn , but KT ran blatantly from Phillips FACT , every other champ trys for redemption after a big loss yet the great KT ran from a journeyman and then he quit on his stool , this you cannot deny and it has tarnished his legacy forever !

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

But, Zab was never the same after Tszyu...career wise.
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Zab has a weakness. Actually, two: his will, and his durability. All Tszyu did was EXPOSE what was already there. Tszyu didn't wreck or ruin Zab. And in many ways, Zab was a better fighter post-Tszyu than pre-Tszyu.


Wiley, you are using a double-standard again.

Last night, you said that it was a credit to Tszyu that after he got knocked out, he came back like champion.

Well, apply that same approach here: after KT knocked out zab, ZJ went on to become the undisputed WW champion of the world.

[Unseen]

I did not "run down Tszyu".

I just stated a fact. That it is odd for a fighter with alot left to retire. Usually, fighters push on one or two (or more) fights past where they should. Guys don't normally retire with gas in the tank. Especially when there are a ton of good opponents and big money fights in their weight class.

Is that a statement that you are disagreeing with?

With regard to the Hatton fight, I have read many posts where Hatton fans "hope that Ricky kicks Floyd's ass". FMJ supporters do not hope, pray or dream that Floyd will win. They EXPECT Floyd to win. Just a difference of perspective.

usually not, but who knows why he retired. he did get a tough fight and maybe he didnt have the hugner to go for it. prince naz retired after a defeat and we know he could have made more money. sometimes a big defeat like that makes someone decide tis over. maybe he quit because he wnated to quit more on a high than on a low. i mean holyfield quitting 4 years ago would have been good. now he is losing respect by the day. perhaps kosta didnt want to carry on.