Kostya Tszyu vs Floyd Mayweather at 140

[sonofisis]

Tszyu took 60 seconds to KO Judah, Floyd couldnt do it in 60 years. Tszyu by obvious KO.

Horrible logic.. Tszyu wasn't even about to beat Vince Phillips, yet Floyd beat Mitchell who'd already slapped Phillips around the ring. According to your logic, that's worth a lot..

Or how about Phillips losing to Forest, who lost to Mayorga, who lost to DLH, who lost to Mayweather?

[RodBarker]

The fact is that ODH was stripped and the belt was awarded to Tszyu. You can interpret that any way you want to. No foggy glasses here. I was there. And, I'm probably at least as old as you are, son.

Thats the thing , I havent interpreted it in any way other that for what it is , you made the statement ODH ran from KT not me .

If your as old as me Wiley you must have been a real dum *** as a youngster because you havent learned much .

[Wiley Hyena]

And Swee Pea definitely would have made Tszyu his *****, just like DLH would have..

Prime DLH would have had a very difficult fight with prime Tszyu. So difficult, that I'll venture to say that Oscar was never really that interested in fighting Tszyu. I won't go so far as to say he dodged Tszyu, but the fact is that Tszyu was nipping at Oscar's heels and Oscar ditched the belt and moved on. You can read what you want into that.

[Wiley Hyena]

Thats the thing , I havent interpreted it in any way other that for what it is , you made the statement ODH ran from KT not me .

If your as old as me Wiley you must have been a real dum *** as a youngster because you havent learned much .

Yeah yeah yeah.....blah blah blah......

[joepal]

Horrible logic.. Tszyu wasn't even about to beat Vince Phillips, yet Floyd beat Mitchell who'd already slapped Phillips around the ring. According to your logic, that's worth a lot..

Or how about Phillips losing to Forest, who lost to Mayorga, who lost to DLH, who lost to Mayweather?

No dummy, you still dont get it. We are talking about common opponents here. Yours is a ******ed way of looking at it although I dont blame you.

[Wiley Hyena]

Horrible logic.. Tszyu wasn't even about to beat Vince Phillips, yet Floyd beat Mitchell who'd already slapped Phillips around the ring. According to your logic, that's worth a lot..

Or how about Phillips losing to Forest, who lost to Mayorga, who lost to DLH, who lost to Mayweather?

Well if you're going to triangulate, at least do it right. It's a simple matter of logic sono. You forgot that Tszyu wiped Mitchell out twice (2 KOs).

So let's go with it, since you seem to think triangulation is a workable way:

Tszyu beat Forrest who beat Mosely who beat Oscar. Floyd barely beat an over the hill Oscar. Furthermore, does this mean Floyd beats Hatton? I don't think so....Hatton beat Tszyu. There you go.

[THe TRiNiTY]

1999 Miguel Angel Gonzales... WBC super lt weight (not 140)
2001 Sharmba Mitchell...WBA jr. ww
2001 Zab Judah...IBF jr. ww
2001 awarded WBC jr. ww because Oscar De La Hoya was stripped (ODH moved up and out rather than defend the belt). Ahem...

Okay, so he beat a basically PRIME Zab Judah.. That's good. Then, he beat someone NOT at 140, beat Sharma, who WAS injured in the contest (true he came back to destroy him, neither here nor there.. I'm talking about winning the title, not defending it..) And then he was given the fourth title. Just checking. So, basically, he beat no one who would MOST LIKELY be considered, Hall Of Fame bound, right? He beat, a couple of pretty good fighters, and then a decent fighter, and finally got a gift, trinket? And that's what you base his SUPERIORITY to Mayweather on? Look at it like this. Mayweather has more weight divisons in which he's won titles, than Kostya had to unify (4, five if you count the Ring title, to 6) And that's not counting Mayweather having a couple of titles in a division or two. Mayweather spent his whole career moving up. Deny that and you deny reason and truth. Compare names....


18-2 In Title Fights for Tszyu..

13-0 In Title Fights for Mayweather, mainly because he simply prefers the WBC Titles. Regardless, neither is a slouch.

Kostya's Opponents:
Ricky Hatton (TKO'd in 10)
Sharma Mitchell, Twice (TKO 7, TKO 3)
Jesse James Leija (TKO 6)
Zab Judah (Gave him his first loss, TKO 2)
Oktay Urkal (Gave him his first loss, UD)
Miguel Angel Gonzalez (TKO 10)
Vince Phillips (TKO'd in 10)
Angel Hernandez (TKO 7)
Roger Mayweather (Had 11 losses, UD)
Julio Cesar Chavez (FADED, TKO 6)

Floyd's Opponents:
Oscar De La Hoya (Slightly Faded, SD)
Carlos Baldomir (UD)
Sharma Mitchell (TKO 6)
Zab Judah (UD)
Phillip N'Dou (TKO 7)
Demarcus Corley (UD)
Arturo Gatti (TKO 6)
Jose Luis Castillo, Twice (UD, UD, one more convincingly)
Carlos Hernandez (UD)
Jesus Chavez (TKO 9)
Genaro Hernandez (TKO 8)
Angel Manfredy (TKO 2)
Diego Corrales (Gave him his first loss, TKO 10)

In all honesty, Mayweather stacks up a bit better, and he has the chance to not only do what Kostya Tszyu COULDN'T do, for whatever reason, in being able to beat Hatton, but he's young enough to accomplish much more. So to assume that Kostya would just go in there and KO Mayweather, I find... baffling.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Well if you're going to triangulate, at least do it right. It's a simple matter of logic sono. You forgot that Tszyu wiped Mitchell out twice (2 KOs).

So let's go with it, since you seem to think triangulation is a workable way:

Tszyu beat Forrest who beat Mosely who beat Oscar. Floyd barely beat an over the hill Oscar. Furthermore, does this mean Floyd beats Hatton? I don't think so....Hatton beat Tszyu. There you go.

I don't believe in this logic, but the way you started off, means nothing as AMs and PROs are WHOLE different ball game. Second of all, REALLY Mayweather clearly won the Oscar fight. Not by a land slide, but he won, safely.

[Wiley Hyena]

Okay, so he beat a basically PRIME Zab Judah.. That's good. Then, he beat someone NOT at 140, beat Sharma, who WAS injured in the contest (true he came back to destroy him, neither here nor there.. I'm talking about winning the title, not defending it..) And then he was given the fourth title. Just checking. So, basically, he beat no one who would MOST LIKELY be considered, Hall Of Fame bound, right? He beat, a couple of pretty good fighters, and then a decent fighter, and finally got a gift, trinket? And that's what you base his SUPERIORITY to Mayweather on? Look at it like this. Mayweather has more weight divisons in which he's won titles, than Kostya had to unify (4, five if you count the Ring title, to 6) And that's not counting Mayweather having a couple of titles in a division or two. Mayweather spent his whole career moving up. Deny that and you deny reason and truth. Compare names....


18-2 In Title Fights for Tszyu..

13-0 In Title Fights for Mayweather, mainly because he simply prefers the WBC Titles. Regardless, neither is a slouch.

Kostya's Opponents:
Ricky Hatton (TKO'd in 10)
Sharma Mitchell, Twice (TKO 7, TKO 3)
Jesse James Leija (TKO 6)
Zab Judah (Gave him his first loss, TKO 2)
Oktay Urkal (Gave him his first loss, UD)
Miguel Angel Gonzalez (TKO 10)
Vince Phillips (TKO'd in 10)
Angel Hernandez (TKO 7)
Roger Mayweather (Had 11 losses, UD)
Julio Cesar Chavez (FADED, TKO 6)

Floyd's Opponents:
Oscar De La Hoya (Slightly Faded, SD)
Carlos Baldomir (UD)
Sharma Mitchell (TKO 6)
Zab Judah (UD)
Phillip N'Dou (TKO 7)
Demarcus Corley (UD)
Arturo Gatti (TKO 6)
Jose Luis Castillo, Twice (UD, UD, one more convincingly)
Carlos Hernandez (UD)
Jesus Chavez (TKO 9)
Genaro Hernandez (TKO 8)
Angel Manfredy (TKO 2)
Diego Corrales (Gave him his first loss, TKO 10)

In all honesty, Mayweather stacks up a bit better, and he has the chance to not only do what Kostya Tszyu COULDN'T do, for whatever reason, in being able to beat Hatton, but he's young enough to accomplish much more. So to assume that Kostya would just go in there and KO Mayweather, I find... baffling.

Your list regarding Tszyu is not complete. And, don't forget he dismantled Vernon Forrest in the amateur world championships. And did you see the Miguel Angel Gonzales fight? Just wondering.

In any event, you are entitled to your opinion. In mine there is no doubt at all.....prime Tszyu would have taken Floyd out back and dropped him.

[RodBarker]

Well if you're going to triangulate, at least do it right. It's a simple matter of logic sono. You forgot that Tszyu wiped Mitchell out twice (2 KOs).

So let's go with it, since you seem to think triangulation is a workable way:

Tszyu beat Forrest who beat Mosely who beat Oscar. Floyd barely beat an over the hill Oscar. Furthermore, does this mean Floyd beats Hatton? I don't think so....Hatton beat Tszyu. There you go.

Now your bringing amateur fights into it and you think you know boxing ,,, dont forget Vince Phillips that was real , Mayweather has a better resume and is still unbeaten thats real too , Dec 8 will be another reality check for you .