The way to beat Pavlik!

[Konstantin]

Pavlik hasn't faced anybody with quick laterals. Somebody who can go side to side on a dime, fire punches, and move to the next side. I don;t think there are any middleweights who do that except for Calzaghe and Bute. Kessler not so much. I am not saying they will beat him. But you can;t run and hide against Pavlik he's too long and his guard is too high so he is going to find you one way or the other.

I agree with that. I think a slick boxer who had power and could punch with angles would give Kelly a hard time. I dont think he has all that great of a chin but I think he handles straight punches well because he rolls with them. If you gave him some punches with other angles he wouldnt be able to roll with them. Calzaggie has a good style but I'm not entirely sure that he could deal with the longer harder jab, I havent seen him fight enough to tell how good his defense is.

Is it just me or do the Middleweights seem to be bigger than the Super Middleweights??

[Konstantin]

In fact I have no idea why anyone would want to take him late. Do you know how much damage his punches do? They dont knock you out as much as just **** you Up. Taking him into deep water just means more leather on you. He has good aim so he will land.

And Winky as much as I like him, would get butchered worse than Taylor.

[champion4ever]

Not if you are hitting him more than he is hitting you. I agree that if he is slowly breaking an opponent down, it would prove to be very difficult in taking him into deep waters and drowning him. Taylor had hurt him early but could not keep up the fast-pace that it was going to require to stop him.

Pavlik is very strong. It is going to take an accumulation of landed punches of possibly weakening, tiring and fatiguing him. When Taylor stopped landing punches as he did against Pavlik in round 2, Pavlik only gotten stronger because of it and then eventually stopped Taylor.

[Konstantin]

Not if you are hitting him more than he is hitting you. I agree that if he is slowly breaking an opponent down, it would prove to be very difficult in taking him into deep waters and drowning him. Taylor had hurt him early but could not keep up the fast-pace that it was going to require to stop him.

Pavlik is very strong. It is going to take an accumulation of landed punches of possibly weakening, tiring and fatiguing him. When Taylor stopped landing punches as he did against Pavlik in round 2, Pavlik only gotten stronger because of it and then eventually stopped Taylor.

But his work rate is so high I dont think anyone has ever outworked him. And most people with high workrates had bellow average power. Kelly is one of the few that has both.

[champion4ever]

I agree Pavlik has a high workrate but his punches are very slow. Taylor has much faster hands than Pavlik and was getting the better of the exchanges, whenever he decided to release his combination punches. This is what eventually knocked Pavlik down and nearly knocked him out.

From that point on, Taylor should have stalked him like there was no tomorrow, in hopes of connecting with his superior hand speed and accuracy again to possibly stop Pavlik.

Pretty much as in the same vein as Leonard did Hearns in their first bout in 1981. Once Leonard found out that he could hurt Hearns he stalked him the balance of the fight until he eventually caught and stopped him.

[Undefeated]

A quick fighter would expose Pavlik with ease.

Calzaghe and Kessler would be a good match for Pavlik.

[Wiley Hyena]

I agree Pavlik has a high workrate but his punches are very slow. Taylor has much faster hands than Pavlik and was getting the better of the exchanges, whenever he decided to release his combination punches. This is what eventually knocked Pavlik down and nearly knocked him out.

From that point on, Taylor should have stalked him like there was no tomorrow, in hopes of connecting with his superior hand speed and accuracy again to possibly stop Pavlik.

Pretty much as in the same vein as Leonard did Hearns in their first bout in 1981. Once Leonard found out that he could hurt Hearns he stalked him the balance of the fight until he eventually caught and stopped him.

Disagree. Pavlik's punches are not slow. His footwork is slow. He's plodding but relentless. Secondly, Pavlik has a very good defense. Third, Taylor couldn't deal with the Pavlik jab. Taylor was game, but had a totally screwed gameplan. He had no chance, but a puncher's chance (hence the second round). Steward needs to be replaced for the rematch.

[McNulty]

I said the same thing, Pavlik couldn't handle a good flurry so that would be key to getting a victory against him.

Did you just say that? JT hit Pav w/like 30+ unanswered hard ass shots in the 2nd...

Who the **** else could do that? Nobody...Pav will crush the enemies, see them be driven before him, and hear the lamentation of the woman.

You need a boxing phenom PBF type to beat Pavlik. Hes gonna reign for a long time. You cant ****ing hurt the guy w/out throwing the kitchen sink @ him...and the roof...and the front stairs...and the car.

Anyone thats dissin Pavlik is little bitches that cant stand it that their homie got KNOCKED THE **** OUT!!! Someone else said something to the effect like...nvr mind.

Pavlik.Calzaghe provided Kessler dont win. Pavlik will give Calzagay the Jimmy Doyle treatment.

[shawn_]

Pavlik works behind his BOMB of a jab. I want to emphasize BOMB, because it really is devastating.

Thats the first thing you need to realize when devising a strategy to beat Pavlik.
You have to find a way to eliminate his jab. The only way to do that is with relentless Joe Frazier like pressure.

Pavlik is a Boxer/Swarmer/Puncher , which is rediculously absurd. Usually it breaks down like this.

Boxer > Puncher
Swarmer > Boxer
Puncher > Swarmer

Historically Boxer/Punchers have been most successful, like Joe Louis.
The only other Boxer/Swarmer/Puncher I can think of off the top of my head is Roberto Duran.

So other than simply smothering Pavlik, and slugging it out with him, I don't really see a way to viably beat him on points.

I think Joe Calzaghe would be able to beat him, simply because he could get inside and slap him to death. Calzaghe is the only fighter I know off that could potenially outwork Pavlik. Outworking Pavlik is what you need to do to win a decision.

You are not going to come out of a fight with Pavlik looking pretty, but as long as you can keep him from landing 2 bombs in a row, you should be able to survive.

[champion4ever]

Disagree. Pavlik's punches are not slow. His footwork is slow. He's plodding but relentless. Secondly, Pavlik has a very good defense. Third, Taylor couldn't deal with the Pavlik jab. Taylor was game, but had a totally screwed gameplan. He had no chance, but a puncher's chance (hence the second round). Steward needs to be replaced for the rematch.

Pavlik's punches are a lot slower than Taylor's. There was not a single sequence in the fight before the stoppage that Pavlik ever put his punches in bunches against Jermain Taylor. For much of the fight, Taylor was slipping his right hands.

I still say that Taylor's tactical error in this bout was when he let up the intensity against Pavlik and began to try to outbox him. Therefore, I agree with your assessment that Taylor couldn't deal with the Pavlik jab. This was a grave mistake because Pavlik's best punch of the night was his jab. He surprised me with his ability to match Taylor's jab.

This is how he ran into those big right hands that eventually stopped the fight. Pavlik is just to big to outbox and outmaneuver. You have to find away of trying to neutralize his physical advantages of height, reach and size. You can only do this by fighting in the inside and constantly throwing and landing combinations. Just as Taylor had followed this blueprint in round 2.