The way to beat Pavlik!

[kayjay]

Pavlik looks slow but don't be deceived by that, boy got one hell of a timing.


His workrate is also a compliment to his defense.

I'll give him that, he measured his timing all night and got it right eventually.

I said the same thing, Pavlik couldn't handle a good flurry so that would be key to getting a victory against him.

Exactly. Good defense with powerful punching in spurts would beat him. Not Winky necessarily but AA. Even Kessler. Certainly Calzaghe.

[Easton Assassin]

A quick fighter would expose Pavlik with ease.

Taylor was quik enough to beat Hopkins who is considered a very quik fighter.

That being the case, how exactly will a quik fighter expose pavlik?

What you shoul have said was- A tall,strong,quik fighter will expose Pavlik.

How many of those are in the division right now? I thought Taylor was the only one?


sigh!!!

[Kball15]

pavliks flaw is that hes slow and has a suspect defense, he won the fight almost exclusively because taylor could not get out of the way of the right hand.

Has anyone Pavlik has EVER faced EVER been able to avoid the RIGHT HAND???


I personally thought that Pavliks BIGGEST weakness, was whenever Taylor opened up with a flurry PAVLIK covered up and didnt really fight back.

He did fight back when Miranda was throwing and many other fighters, which leads me to believe that Taylors speed was making him cover up like that.

Thats why i think Calzaghe could win by a ward margin against Pavlik, if he can get away from that right hand,... which nobody has yet so we will see. thats a good fight

[shawn_]

No, Taylor lost the fight because he couldn't capitalize on the mistakes Pavlik makes. Largely because His corner was doing a horrible job. Taylor was faster, just as strong ans was boxing well. He shoul have focused strickly on the right as thats really all Pavlik has. He only opens up with uppercuts and hooks when he hurts a guy.


Slow has nothing to do with it. When u have an acurate strong Jab-fast is neutralized. Just ask some of the greats. Pavlick is slow footed, he has decent handspeed, and phenominal power, but to beat him you have to counter off the right as it's when he is most vulenable!


His defense is not suspect. He comes straight ahead and is offensive orientated. That means he will get hit. He abandons defense in order to trade in hopes of landing the big shot.

Dude, you need to really watch a fight. Go beyond the obvious and look at whats really going on!

You are really underating Pavliks defense. He does not abandon his defense to throw bombs.

Taylor tried what you are saying, but Kelly adapted, and started throwing a Hopkins style right hand where he ducked to his left after he throws it. Kelly is alot smarter, and technically sound that people give him credit for, he just looks sloppy because he is tall lanky, and awkward.

I assure you, Pavlik is very sound defensively.

In order to counter his right hand, you have to be in position after taking TWO bazooka jabs.

[Easton Assassin]

I'll give him that, he measured his timing all night and got it right eventually.



Exactly. Good defense with powerful punching in spurts would beat him. Not Winky necessarily but AA. Even Kessler. Certainly Calzaghe.

I think AA is very untested. Calzaghe and Kessler are both good boxers, but the ***in jab pavlik had last night was murderous. I could see Calzaghe and Kessler both not likeing that kinda jab in their face a whole lot.


Pavlik is not the second comming but you know what? The kid is a serious threat to any p4p champion near his division. I wouldn't count him out against anyone!

[Kball15]

What you shoul have said was- A tall,strong,quik fighter will expose Pavlik.

How many of those are in the division right now? I thought Taylor was the only one?


sigh!!!

How many of those have there been in boxing history?!?!?!?!

[Easton Assassin]

You are really underating Pavliks defense. He does not abandon his defense to throw bombs.

Taylor tried what you are saying, but Kelly adapted, and started throwing a Hopkins style right hand where he ducked to his left after he throws it. Kelly is alot smarter, and technically sound that people give him credit for, he just looks sloppy because he is tall lanky, and awkward.

I assure you, Pavlik is very sound defensively.

In order to counter his right hand, you have to be in position after taking TWO bazooka jabs.

His jabs are veryy effective. Best i have seen in a long time!

[Da Truth 35]

The way to beat him is to pressure him and dont let him pressure you and the othr way is Winkys style defense which coukld make for a interesting fight Winky-Pavlik if you dont pressure Paclik you will lose Kelly has a suspectible defense so you need to pressure him

[shawn_]

I think to beat Pavlik you are going to have to go to war with him and win. People call him a puncher, but he is more of an outside swarmer. He beats you up, wears you down, then knocks you out.

You really have to engage in an Ali-Frazier 3 type affair to beat him.

His workrate is just too high to outbox him, and he hits too hard. In the process of trying to outbox him, you WILL get caught with punches, and it will wear you down. He will eventually catch up with you and knock you out.

[Easton Assassin]

How many of those have there been in boxing history?!?!?!?!

My point is, Pavlik is a huge fargin powerful middleweight that can box very well. no, he isn't the flashiest guy, but technically he is very sound.

I don't see a Floyd Mayweather or DLH, OR Wright surviving 12 rounds with a jab like that pounding them.

It's gonna take a big fast guy to beat Pavlik, and Taylor was that guy. He absolutly destroyed miranda and miranda is better than all but a couple in the division!


Pavlik is here to stay for a long long time!