Who's A More Complete Fighter Pernell or Floyd?

[Steak]

Floyd is a mix of James Toney and RJJ. he is multidimensional, but Pernell could do all and more.

he fought OUTSTANDING on the outside, and was a textbook fighter on the inside if youve seen the right fights. Floyd tends to defend defend defend and then counter on the inside, then pop out. Floyd has a beautiful left hook and right hand, but Pernell had it all, one of the best jabs of all time, excellent left hand, good uppercuts and hooks and was an amazing body puncher. Floyd has a good jab, but not as good as sweet peas, and he doesnt use it as often.

and while Pernell may have been down more times than Floyd, Pernell has been hurt less times than Floyd. the one time before the Trinidad fight I remember Pernell actually being really hurt by a punch was in his 13th or something fight against Roger Mayweather...his other knockdowns like against McGirt were off balance type ones.

um anyways...Whitaker was more complete

[-Hyperion-]

pernell hands down.......................

[WLAD OWNS]

Definately Pernell Whitaker, he actually has a heart and balls and he was willing to go toe to toe with other fighters even though he lacked punching power.

[tyson]

Good thread, made me think a little bit.

Well, let's see;
What makes a complete fighter?
-Skill
-Heart
-Chin
-Power
-Dedication
-Smarts
-Speed
-Offence
-Defence
-Adjustability
Probably some more, I'm not in the mood to think too much..

Skill, as opposed to what many seems to believe, is not about flashy, cute stuff like fast hands, being afraid to get hit etc..

It's about making the things you do well work against your opponent.
If your only good asset is power, well, then you'll need to know how to make it work for you.
You don't have to be a defensive genius to be skillfull.
That's just a different tool to be skillfull at.

Ricky Hatton is extremely skillfull at closing the distance, working the body and keeping himself safe while in there.
He is what some people call an offensive inside expert.
Is there someone better at the same game? Probably. Is it relevant? No.

Mayweather is defensive master, in addition to be a master counter-puncher.
Is he a great infighter? No. He's skilled at it.

Anyways, my point is that you need to make your best assets work for you.
You need to be skilled in order to make your best assets win against your opponents assets.

Whitaker was MORE skilled in MORE areas than Floyd.
That makes him more complete in the skill-area. Does that mean he would beat Floyd?

No.
If somebody understands what I'm saying, maybe someone can explain why Pernell wouldn't necessarly win?

And, regarding all the other tools needed to be a complete fighter, I would say Pernell is the more complete fighter of the two.

[Amir K Shareef]

who would be the bigger man in a fight between the 2?

[shawn_]

Floyd is bigger. Pernell is only 5'5

[Ironside]

Floyd is more complete, Pernell really had only his speed and reflexes. Floyd has the speed, the skills, he has good power, and he's more agressive than Whitaker.

[Amir K Shareef]

floyd is an all around better boxer then pernell was..

[Brandish]

floyd is more complete

[robjr]

this poll is a no brainer...