Mayweather & Hatton: Adversity Means Very Little

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Here you can see Mayweather's patented "best defense in Boxing." :wank:

FLOYD IS BORING.

[Trevbutler]

I had never seen that fight. Floyd sure has a good chin. That punch would have put most fighters down, not to mention at least hurt them more than that.

[Wiley Hyena]

You ever heard of a fighter "sitting on his punches" and a fighter "boxing on his toes"? I know you have and floyd boxes and PUNCHES on his toes. He is a defesivley orientated fighter who punches on his toes, which allows him to quickly fluctuate into a defensive position if need be. If you punch on your toes it won't generate as much power as standing flat footed rotating your hips and following through on punches. If his "offense" was so simple why hasn't anyone figured it out to the point where they FORCE him into a fight. They can't because HE sets the pace, and HE has the better ring generalship. Floyd has faced opponents with the ABILITY to force him into a fight (DLH,Corrales,Chaves) but they can't impose there will on him because he sets his pace and moves wherever he needs to to disrupt their ongoing attack. Oh there we go with the "he hasn't fought anyone" it amazes me what some people spew out to discredit someone. He has fought very tough competition, he hasn't fought anyone truly great yet but he is going into the right direction. He has one of the best resumes in the game and he hasn't fought anyone? Maybe after he embaresses them they are immediatley labeled nobodies. This is what I mean by people not giving credit where credit is due.

I understand your analysis Skills and it is well taken. However, your statement "If his offense is so simple, why can't the competition force him to fight (paraphrase)?" is misguided, IMO. It's not his offense that makes him elusive. IT'S HIS DEFENSE. It's not his offense that sets the pace. IT'S HIS DEFENSE. The shoulder turn, peck and parry, step away system is not offensive in Floyd's case. It is defensive. Can't you see it? It's so beautifully boring. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. sets the pace with defense. I will say it again, his only offensive is generated from his counterpunch but it rarely translates into offense because he has LIMITED POWER. C'mon guys, hang with me here. Lastly, I'm not saying his competition was against "nobodies." I'm saying that his defense is so good that it's going to take a "somebody" to break through it and get to Floyd. An aging Oscar De LaHoya was the closest thing yet, but he didn't have the aggressiveness in that fight to do it.

[SkillspayBills]

How much room do you have left?

As much as you would like my freind, name your price and if I don't have the points I will just keep giving you all my points until you are paid off.

[Addison]

As much as you would like my freind, name your price and if I don't have the points I will just keep giving you all my points until you are paid off.

Yeah, I saw you're already out for about twice what you actually have.

The fight is months away.. We have plenty of time.

[Wiley Hyena]

That is a categoric LIE.

Complete and total ****ing BULL****.

I would furthermore have to agree with Adison here. Hopkins does have better defense because he uses it to generate legitimate offense. Although, Hopkins' offense these days consists primarily of lunging in, in his prime Hopkins would hurt people with his counterpunching and then take advantage of it. His counters now are less threatening because he is not so apt to trade as he used to be.

[SkillspayBills]

I understand your analysis Skills and it is well taken. However, your statement "If his offense is so simple, why can't the competition force him to fight (paraphrase)?" is misguided, IMO. It's not his offense that makes him elusive. IT'S HIS DEFENSE. It's not his offense that sets the pace. IT'S HIS DEFENSE. The shoulder turn, peck and parry, step away system is not offensive in Floyd's case. It is defensive. Can't you see it? It's so beautifully boring. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. sets the pace with defense. I will say it again, his only offensive is generated from his counterpunch but it rarely translates into offense because he has LIMITED POWER. C'mon guys, hang with me here. Lastly, I'm not saying his competition was against "nobodies." I'm saying that his defense is so good that it's going to take a "somebody" to break through it and get to Floyd. An aging Oscar De LaHoya was the closest thing yet, but he didn't have the aggressiveness in that fight to do it.

I can see exactly where you are coming from Wiley. I only think that you misintreprit Floyd's defensive capabilities and how he mixes offense with it. Everytime he fights someone mentions him "pot shoting". He is a cautious fighter, hell cautious to the point where people get frustrated when he cruises to decisions. Even when he is on the offensive, he is on defense. You can't say floyd's offense isn't top notch because he doesn't have one punch ko power, hell miguel cotto doesn't have one punch ko power. Floyd fluidly incorporates hitting you several times and moving out the way, until we DO find the "somebody" that will make him stand there and brawl it out you can't really analyze how much power he has, since he doesn't sit down on his punches.

[SkillspayBills]

Yeah, I saw you're already out for about twice what you actually have.

The fight is months away.. We have plenty of time.

I will reiterate, I have a ******** problem.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

You can't say floyd's offense isn't top notch because he doesn't have one punch ko power, hell miguel cotto doesn't have one punch ko power..

Who DOES have concussive KO power at 140-154? Since Tito?

Oscar? no
Shane? no
Hatton? nope
margarito? ha
Judah? no
Williams? volume
Malignaggi? chuckle
Cotto? no

The last guys in that div with killer power were Tito and Rico....no?

[Wiley Hyena]

I can see exactly where you are coming from Wiley. I only think that you misintreprit Floyd's defensive capabilities and how he mixes offense with it. Everytime he fights someone mentions him "pot shoting". He is a cautious fighter, hell cautious to the point where people get frustrated when he cruises to decisions. Even when he is on the offensive, he is on defense. You can't say floyd's offense isn't top notch because he doesn't have one punch ko power, hell miguel cotto doesn't have one punch ko power. Floyd fluidly incorporates hitting you several times and moving out the way, until we DO find the "somebody" that will make him stand there and brawl it out you can't really analyze how much power he has, since he doesn't sit down on his punches.

Fair enough. I think your statement: "Even when he is on the offensive, he is on defense" says it all. But, I can say his offense is "not top notch because he doesn't have one punch KO power" not because I believe that you have to have one punch KO power to be a good offensive fighter, but because I believe that you have to have "KO power" to be a GREAT offensive fighter. And, don't forget that smaller fighters that don't possess KO power can be GREAT offensive fighters, too, by swarming. But, Floyd simply doesn't have that word in his fighting vocabulary, much less the ability or desire to swarm and smother. And, you may be right, maybe he has it but just has never had to use it. But, I doubt it. Hopefully, we can soon find out. But, until that time Floyd is going to be criticized by fans hungry to see real fights.