Attention Mayweather fans.......

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Let's make love.... not read old boxing articles.

that was my memory... not an old boxing article..

I remember wondering which fight to order: cotto-paulie or BHop-*****Lips.

I decided to order the Cotto PPV because 1) it was cheaper, 2) I hate the idea of tarver getting money from me, and 3) I knew HBO would replay Hop-tarver, but there would be no replay for the Cotto fight.

[Lazy Liberal]

I was speaking on talent, Oscar obviously has a better record with higher profile names on it. Shane beats Oscar in overall talent in mine and many others eyes.

Thank you to Sin City for pointing out that winning titles, while a great accomplishment doesn't mean much when you've taken them from the likes of Arturo Gatti. I had problems with Roy Jones winning the heavyweight title from Ruiz as well, so this is not a Mayweather issue for me, it's a competition issue.

You said that Mosley had the better record,now you are saying ODLH does.So which one is it? I respect all opinions and i will never belittle no one but to say mosley had the better talent is kinda sketchy. He was super fast and knocking out duds at 135 but once he moved up , his only significant victory has been the 1st De La Hoya fight. The fighters that ODLH beat require talent and to say that Mosley with the lack of big wins or names is more talented , doesn't sound right.

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Let's make love.... not read old boxing articles.

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COMING DOWN 14 LBS?? FROM WHAT? Shane was at 147. Moved to 154 for vargas. Always planned on coming back to 147. Where are you getting 14 lbs from?? Shane has NEVER talked about 140. He skipped 140 on his way up, even.

and....

No... Floyd did not "opt for Baldomir rather than mosley". Damn, dude. Do you own a calendar??

Floyd beat Zab in April of 2006. There was a Hopkins/Tarver fight in June of 2006. On the same night as Cotto-malignaggi. PBF was in discussions with OSCAR for a Sept 16th fight. Oscar was playing the Hamlet role and was saying that he would fight "one more fight against the best, or he would retire". Oscar called a press conference for that Hopkins fight weekend in AC.

Well, Oscar delayed the decision. He said that he had injuries and he would fight "next year". This was JUNE 2006, and PBF started to look for another fight. Haymon/Ellerbe thought that they were ****ed, because baldomir/Gatti were fighting for the WW belt. And everybody thought that Gatti was going to win. Clearly, Floyd wasn't going to fight Gatti again.

So, PBF had his eye on Shane. But Shane said that he had the tooth/vacation thing. He doesn't want the FMJ fight. PBF has few options.

But, BOOM. Baldomir destroys Gatti with a big left hook (Lampley's words) and validates himself as a WW champion. So, Team Mayweather negotiates with baldo for a November fight.

Later that fall, we hear that Shane has signed for a Cintron fight in the winter.

THAT IS THE WAY IT HAPPENED.

The 14lbs was my mistake, sorry for the typo. I had a brain lapse and kept thinking the fight was 154lbs. Anyway....

Mayweather beat Judah in April 06', Mosley beat Vargas the first time in February. Vargas shouted for a rematch which had Mosley's hands tied until July, 3 months after Floyd beat Judah. Floyd's discussions with Oscar never materialized, Oscar opted to play businessman and drag the discussion on about the fight as long as he possibly could. In order to build hype, so he decided not to fight in september of that year.

When the talks fell through, Baldomir had just destroyed Gatti. Who Mayweather had already destroyed himself a year prior. Gatti was never an "elite" guy he was an overrated B class fighter, and byproduct of HBO's hype machine. Baldomir established himself as a solid opponet in the division by beating Judah and (as much as I hate to admit it) Gatti, and you're right. Floyd opted for him instead. Which was a smart move because he had some hype around him and he was a titleholder.

I'm just saying it would've been a better move for Mayweather to have jumped on Mosley's intrest in fighting him. By the time the talks fell through, Mosley had already dispatched of Vargas in the rematch and was free to fight, openly expressing intrest in Mayweather.

Again, bottom line here is they've both made excuses not to fight each other rather than actually settle it for real, which is what we all want from them anyway. I still think Shane is a better matchup for Mayweather stylistically than Oscar ever was, but this is a Mosley/Mayweather issue. This topic is about Floyd's standing as an all time great and I don't want it getting too far off topic.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

He felt insulted that DLh didnt give him an equal split evn though Shane beat him twice...just like Marquez did vs Pacquiao...

Yeah. You're absolutely right... but we all know that it doesn't work that way.

Floyd likes to say that "skills pay the bills". Floyd is very wrong. Fans pay the bills. If skills paid the bills, Casamayor would be a bigger star than Gatti. For example.

Oscar had the fanbase. Oscar ALWAYS deserves the bulk of the money.

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[jai mari078]

1) If Floyd wanted a worn-out Shane, why was he trying to get Shane in the ring in the summer of '06?

2) You talk about Shane coming down in weight. That is misleading. Shane was a WW who ONLY moved up to take vargas on. SSM himself said that he was a WW and was ONLY moving up to 154 to make the big fight w/ FV. I'm willing to pull the SSM quote if you care to challenge.

What the **** are you talking about he only moved up to fight Vargas at 154? Are you new. He fought Oscar at 154 the second time,Winky at 154 both times and Vargas at 154 both times. How can you say he only moved up to fight Vargas? You need to get your facts staraight. How can you say it is misleading that after all that time at 154, he is supposed to be able to move back down in weight at his age that fast and fight Mayweather in the same year. He would have to kill himself to get back down and fight the supposed
P4P #1 in the world in the same year. Big surprise Mayweather would want to fight him at that point. Mosley did the smart thing, he didn't duck him.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Bringer,

did you see all six rounds of the Spaddy-Floyd sparring session?

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You said that Mosley had the better record,now you are saying ODLH does.So which one is it? I respect all opinions and i will never belittle no one but to say mosley had the better talent is kinda sketchy. He was super fast and knocking out duds at 135 but once he moved up , his only significant victory has been the 1st De La Hoya fight. The fighters that ODLH beat require talent and to say that Mosley with the lack of big wins or names is more talented , doesn't sound right.

Mosley beat Oscar twice, even though I think Oscar clearly won the second fight the record shows a victory for Mosley. Oscar has the better record as far as competition goes, he fought the much better and bigger names. Mosley had better overall talent, that was my initial point and I think I got sidetracked trying to reply to multiple posts by multiple users.

We can agree to disagree on this one because Oscar has the better record but in my eyes is not as talented at his age as Mosley is. Mosley's managed to keep his power and speed almost completely intact into his 30's. I honestly believe Mosley is the better matchup for Mayweather, again, stylistically. They both have very similar styles, and I've always wanted to see Mosley vs. Mayweather, even more than Oscar vs Mayweather.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

What the **** are you talking about he only moved up to fight Vargas at 154? Are you new. He fought Oscar at 154 the second time,Winky at 154 both times and Vargas at 154 both times. How can you say he only moved up to fight Vargas? You need to get your facts staraight. How can you say it is misleading that after all that time at 154, he is supposed to be able to move back down in weight at his age that fast and fight Mayweather in the same year. He would have to kill himself to get back down and fight the supposed
P4P #1 in the world in the same year. Big surprise Mayweather would want to fight him at that point. Mosley did the smart thing, he didn't duck him.

No, no, no.

I'm referring to LAST year. AFTER he came off the steroids.

Post-Winky, Shane said he was going back to welter, which he did. Go check.

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Bringer,

did you see all six rounds of the Spaddy-Floyd sparring session?

You're talking about Mayweather/Gatti right? If that's the case, yes I saw it and it was both the most beautiful tactical performance and brutal one sided fight I've ever seen at the same time.