Attention Mayweather fans.......

[ßringer]

You are making that up.


Three years ago, Shane had been at 154 (on steroids, btw). Meanwhile Floyd had JUST moved up to 140.

If it wasn't three years ago then it was 2 years ago. I'm not great with specific dates but there was an article posted on boxingscene.com and *********.com where Mosley openly challenged Mayweather. You can go back and dig it up if you don't believe me. The point is Mosley wanted Mayweather first, and Mayweather said no. Then Mayweather wanted Mosley and Mosley made up an excuse about his tooth or something.

Bottom line is they need to fight because they're perfect opponets for each other. If they fought 4 times I see them both winning twice. It's that close.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Floyd is a smart fighter, he knows that if Mosley wins against Cotto, he will be worn down severely because Cotto is relentless. I think Mayweather wants Mosley to take a beating from Cotto but ultimately win, so he can try to pick his bones. Cotto's body assault will certainly slow Shane down a bit, and if he's slower than Mayweather then Mayweather will win.

Shane had a legit excuse in my eyes for not wanting to fight Mayweather after coming down in weight and needing to readjust. Someone Shane's age doesn't want to come down in weight and make his first fight there against the best damn fighter in the world. It's hard to adjust to weight at that age, the only boxer I know who's capable of doing that these days would be Bernard Hopkins.

1) If Floyd wanted a worn-out Shane, why was he trying to get Shane in the ring in the summer of '06?

2) You talk about Shane coming down in weight. That is misleading. Shane was a WW who ONLY moved up to take vargas on. SSM himself said that he was a WW and was ONLY moving up to 154 to make the big fight w/ FV. I'm willing to pull the SSM quote if you care to challenge.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

If it wasn't three years ago then it was 2 years ago. I'm not great with specific dates but there was an article posted on boxingscene.com and *********.com where Mosley openly challenged Mayweather. You can go back and dig it up if you don't believe me. The point is Mosley wanted Mayweather first, and Mayweather said no. Then Mayweather wanted Mosley and Mosley made up an excuse about his tooth or something.

Bottom line is they need to fight because they're perfect opponets for each other. If they fought 4 times I see them both winning twice. It's that close.

1) The "tooth/vacation" excuse is absolutely true and correct. I saw that Merchant interview in the vargas postfight.

2) No, I did NOT hear Mosley call out PBF (who was 140# 2 years ago). I would appreciate you sending the link to back up your assertion.

[ßringer]

1) If Floyd wanted a worn-out Shane, why was he trying to get Shane in the ring in the summer of '06?

2) You talk about Shane coming down in weight. That is misleading. Shane was a WW who ONLY moved up to take vargas on. SSM himself said that he was a WW and was ONLY moving up to 154 to make the big fight w/ FV. I'm willing to pull the SSM quote if you care to challenge.

1.) In the summer of 06' Mayweather opted to fight Baldomir for the title, rather than Mosley. Mosley had his hands tied with the rematch Vargas was so openly screaming for. After the Vargas rematch Shane went inactive until early 07' to fight Collazo.

2.) Regardless of how long Shane was at the weight, he still was a 33 year old coming down 14lbs. Ask any 33 year old you know how hard it is to drop weight.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

yeah, just like mayweather fans say Mosley ducked Mayweather at 135....

I am BOTH a PBF fan and a SSM fan. And I am telling you that SSM asked for a ridiculous amt of money for that fight. $10 million.

Do you have FACTS that say otherwise?

[ßringer]

1) The "tooth/vacation" excuse is absolutely true and correct. I saw that Merchant interview in the vargas postfight.

2) No, I did NOT hear Mosley call out PBF (who was 140# 2 years ago). I would appreciate you sending the link to back up your assertion.

1.) I doubted the excuses authenticity then, and I still do. I think Mosley felt snubbed by Mayweather earlier, and decided to play the excuse game. Pitiful in it's own right, but it happens a lot in this sport.

2.) I'm on it.

[Lazy Liberal]

I disagree. In his prime Shane Mosley was always a better fighter than Oscar De La Hoya, and a much better match for Mayweather stylistically. Even now with his age I would give Shane a good chance at beating Mayweather based on the fact that he has solid power in both hands, and his speed and boxing/countering ability hasn't diminished much, if at all.

Mayweather needs to stop trying to belittle Mosley by calling him a "sparring" partner. Mosley wanted Mayweather 3 years ago but Mayweather wouldn't fight him, then mayweather wanted Mosley last year and Mosley didn't want Mayweather in return. They need to stop their childish quarrel and settle it in the ring, because while Mayweather is #1 p4p, Mosley is still in the top 5 and has a much better record than Oscar did.

Shane Mosley was never, I repeat never , better in his prime than a Prime DE La Hoya. A prime Mosley beat Holiday and ODLH in the 1st fight.That is the extent of his greatness.Odlh in his prime,made C.Hernadez quit, killed Ruelas,beat 2 division undefeated M.A Gonzalez, beat Chavez , regardless of his age,beat Whitaker,beat Trinidad no matter what the three blind judges said, and beat Quartey. I don't see any of those names on the much better fighter Saccarin Shane Mosley.

[Sin City]

To me how many belts you have gained doesn't mean ****, winning a belt of off Gatti isn't ****. Its not how many belts you have but who you beat to get them..
And when people say well who in the history of boxing has done that? Keep in mind that back then it was much harder to get a title shot and there were way less belts. Its near to impossible now-a-days to gain the greatest of all time label I think though, Fighters don't fight nearly enough as they used to and there is way to much politics and they get payed too much money that they don't want to take risks.. Floyd would pretty much have to clear out the whole Welterweight devision to even qualify. Of course this is never gonna happen because him and his fans feel that if it isn't a enormous amount of money it doesn't make sense.. There are those who fight for money and those who fight for legacy... Floyd fights for money and that is why he will never get the honor of GOAT. But anyway those who say he is fighting bigger guys and that he isn't a welterweight are idiots.. A lot of welterweights start of at the lower weights and eventually make it up to jr. middle weight.. It was just about time for Floyd to move up so to the people claiming he is fighting bigger dudes.. Nah, he fighting dudes his size. [with the exception of De La Hoya]
But he does deserve his props and All Time Great he is not.. Maybe someday he will be, but for now he is just the best fighter of our era.

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2) No, I did NOT hear Mosley call out PBF (who was 140# 2 years ago). I would appreciate you sending the link to back up your assertion.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=boxing_video_2

Scroll down to the 4/8/06 Mosley interview, less than a minute into it Mosley expresses his intrest in fighting Mayweather. This is as far back as the video archive goes to my knowledge, so I'm going to search on Google for the interview from mid-late 05' where Mosley expressed his intrest in fighting Mayweather.

[Sin City]

Shane Mosley was never, I repeat never , better in his prime than a Prime DE La Hoya. A prime Mosley beat Holiday and ODLH in the 1st fight.That is the extent of his greatness.Odlh in his prime,made C.Hernadez quit, killed Ruelas,beat 2 division undefeated M.A Gonzalez, beat Chavez , regardless of his age,beat Whitaker,beat Trinidad no matter what the three blind judges said, and beat Quartey. I don't see any of those names on the much better fighter Saccarin Shane Mosley.

I think its funny how De La Hoya haters like to say Chavez was old in their fight but Chavez was the same age as Oscar when Oscar fought Floyd.