Floyd is no de la hoya....

[rambov]

lol how? how does being p4p now make him greater than oscar through 38 fights?

Well you said Oscar always lost to better fighters. You said that Floyd in p4p the best and Floyd Beat Oscar. That means Floyd can beat anyone Oscar beat.
So case closed!

[Steak]

I wasnt going to say it...whiteness = disadvantage I'll say no more...

Something I keep saying and people keep ignoring...floyd has the reach advantage...didnt you see him measuring Oscar all night?

Floyd knows what a challenge to him is...the problem isnt fighting someone who will HURT him when he gets hit, its someone who can actually HIT him to begin with! Power is a non-issue against floyd, if you can hit him decently you have a good shot at beating him.

dude, nobody gives a **** about reach. just because you have a reach 'advantage' (which isnt always an advantage at all) doesnt mean its unfair for the other guy.

the bottom line is that De La Hoya was the #1 154 lber after he beat Mosley there(in my mind, at least), and Floyd beat him. making him the #1 154lber. Cory Spinks may have been rated best by RING magazine, but thats bull**** as his only credential is beating Kamzarin and Mosley was #1 after Winky left and before he dropped to 147.

De La Hoya has an amazing record. truth. but Mayweather is above him. hes been considered #1 at 130, 135, 147, and 154, not just a belt champion. 140, no, he never faced Hatton. but, wait, that fights happening, isnt it!? his record pretty much speaks for itself man...
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[BmoreBrawler]

Well you said Oscar always lost to better fighters.

uhh, I assume they are better talent-wise

You said that Floyd in p4p the best and Floyd Beat Oscar.

Those are true unfortunately, but meaningless within this thread's parameters. That win doesnt really PROVE much anyway.

That means Floyd can beat anyone Oscar beat.
So case closed!

legacy doesnt rate who you can beat, it rates who you did beat

see what im sayin?

[BmoreBrawler]

dude, nobody gives a **** about reach. just because you have a reach 'advantage' (which isnt always an advantage at all) doesnt mean its unfair for the other guy.

the bottom line is that De La Hoya was the #1 154 lber after he beat Mosley there(in my mind, at least), and Floyd beat him. making him the #1 154lber. Cory Spinks may have been rated best by RING magazine, but thats bull**** as his only credential is beating Kamzarin and Mosley was #1 after Winky left and before he dropped to 147.

De La Hoya has an amazing record. truth. but Mayweather is above him. hes been considered #1 at 130, 135, 147, and 154, not just a belt champion. 140, no, he never faced Hatton. but, wait, that fights happening, isnt it!? his record pretty much speaks for itself man...

I didnt say reach makes things unfair, but it can be a good predictor of who will win, why do you think its such a major part of the tale of the tape? You guys are stuck in such an old-line of boxing thinking(or just morons who cant think outside the box). I have boxed. Speed kills, reach kills, one factor alone can be beaten but an advantage in both is almost insurmountable for all but the top guys.

. Being considered a lot of things doesnt make up for an inferior record through 38 fights...once he at least goes above and beyond OScar, THEN let him be considered a top-5 great.

[rambov]

see what im sayin?

No I dont. Please elaborate

[BmoreBrawler]

No I dont. Please elaborate

you have to read the red print...also read the op because nowhere does it mention p4p and thats not the point.

[KingTito]

you can argue that de la hoya has fought better opposition, but let's face it, he doesn't have the abilities that floyd has, i'm not a mayweather fan, but i respect fighters, n i gotta give it to mayweather on this one.. not taking anything away from de la hoya though

[BmoreBrawler]

you can argue that de la hoya has fought better opposition, but let's face it, he doesn't have the abilities that floyd has, i'm not a mayweather fan, but i respect fighters, n i gotta give it to mayweather on this one.. not taking anything away from de la hoya though

I agree...thats what makes FLoyd in my book p4p #1, but abilities alone dont win you all-time-****. PROVE yourself, floyd...

[rambov]

Who would you like floyd to fight to prove this point to you?

Are you asking him to get hit more often or to get into "brawls"

[Steak]

I didnt say reach makes things unfair, but it can be a good predictor of who will win, why do you think its such a major part of the tale of the tape? You guys are stuck in such an old-line of boxing thinking(or just morons who cant think outside the box). I have boxed. Speed kills, reach kills, one factor alone can be beaten but an advantage in both is almost insurmountable for all but the top guys.

. Being considered a lot of things doesnt make up for an inferior record through 38 fights...once he at least goes above and beyond OScar, THEN let him be considered a top-5 great.

ok, reach and speed can be an advantage, no ****. who cares?! it doesnt take anything away from the win! thats like saying that George Foreman was a freak of nature in strength, so it was obvious hed beat Frazier, so he should get less credit for taking him out in 2 rounds.
makes no ****ing sense. Floyd beat the man at 154, and thats all you have to worry about really...

and 38 wins is a lot more impressive when half of those fights turn out to be title fights or title eliminators....
as opposed to what...50ish wins and 2 or 3 defences.
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