If You Don't Think British Fighters Are Overprotected...

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Ricky Ducked Floyd Foer A Looooooong Time

I'd like to see that proof DD - please paste link to syndicated press report of offer made.

Sure thing.....

1)

http://www.secondsout.com/USA/news.cfm?ccs=229&cs=17418

Father and business manager openly admitted the turned down the chance to at least negotiation for a Mayweather fight in 2004. "That was the one fight, style wise, which I thought we needed a few more fights before taking," said father Ray Hatton. "But now Ricky has gone up to the top level with Tszyu and got the big win, there's no-one I wouldn't put him in with and not feel confident that he'd beat."

2)

http://**********.com/pag/article6807.html

That's b o x i n g t a l k

Leon's Response: Some of Hatton's fans are delusional. While Hatton has proven his worth as a world class fighter, his people have turned down the Mayweather fight at least three times by now. If Hatton's people aren't ready for the fight (for good reason), why all the Hattonmaniacs act like Floyd is avoiding him is beyond me. Floyd is superior to Hatton in every way save for power, but in boxing speed is power and Mayweather speed advantage is so drastic that it would wind up becoming what Floyd would describe as easy work. Hatton versus Cotto or Castillo are the fights I want to see.

3)

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Duran/Coyote100705.htm

Coyote Duran: I can see how that would work in the end but you'd think now that Ricky Hatton would feel like he was wasting his time against a Carlos Maussa since he beat the real champion.

Frank Warren: I would've thought so. I mean, prior to that fight, I had offered him the (WBO titlist Miguel) Cotto fight. I had offered him (WBC titlist) Floyd Mayweather. Even Don King and I spoke about (Undisputed Welterweight Champion) Zab Judah. But when he went out to Atlantic City to see the Maussa fight, he wanted the Maussa fight. To me, it's a belt and I can understand, as a fighter, that he'd want that belt, but let's be honest about it. Kostya Tszyu vacated that title and Ricky Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu. So, on the same list as Joe Calzaghe, he was the #1 by Ring magazine. Who cares about that (WBA belt)?

Coyote Duran: Right. Hatton doesn't need Maussa's belt. He's the man.

Frank Warren: I agree with you! I agree, but I was willing to make the fight. I spoke to Pat English (of Main Events). We had agreed terms for the fight and in the meantime, Pat English was advised not to deal with me and that I couldn't deliver Hatton.

4)

http://www.tigerboxing.com/articles/...aid=1001245316

Mayweather’s search for a follow-up opponent makes one wonder if there weren’t some top boxers voting in the ESPN News poll. Willing to give up weight and travel to fighter’s home towns, he still couldn’t find an opponent. Ricky Hatton, the only 140-pounder left that might challenge Mayweather, instead signed to fight Carlos Maussa. There was talk of a bout with Miguel Cotto, but nothing ever materialized. Having essentially cleared out Light Welterweight with just his reputation, Floyd began looking elsewhere.


5)

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho...s/3950448.html

Kostya Tszyu isn't sure he'll fight again. His conqueror, Ricky Hatton, turned Mayweather down before money was even discussed.

Oscar De La Hoya has mentioned Mayweather, but said he won't consider him until late 2006.

That's around the time when Top Rank promoter Bob Arum said he'd be willing to put young and promising Miguel Cotto in against Mayweather.

There were others, including undisputed welterweight champion Zab Judah, but they couldn't come close to contract terms.

And boxers know there are two ways to get out of a fight: simply by saying no, as Hatton did, or by asking for more money than promoters will be able to pay.


IN A COURT OF LAW, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD CALL PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

I can keep going, but I thought FIVE would be enough.

[OptimusWolf]

Ok, first things first - these are not the syndicated press (to my knowledge), they are not bound by the same laws as say a newspaper.

But I won't nitpick on that issue, although real news tends to be reported in the real press, in magazines such as KO and the ring plus boxing monthly and in newspapers and the bbc website.

But no.s 2 and 3 are a joke, just interview with biased parties and no detail whatsoever. I'd like to see you present that in a court of law.

4 - have you read the article, it mentions nothing about Hatton turning down floyd the guy just says that hatton fought maussa to support his argument that noone wanted to fight PBF.

5 - refers to the one time we can be pretty sure Hatton turned down mayweather, and is a shockingly bad pro-mayweather piece of diatribe.

I'm sorry but if you have more I suggest that they be better than this selection, which for the most part wasn't what I asked for. It's difficult to find proof of a guy turning down another, so I feel for you, but this isn't up to the task with the exception of Ray Hatton's comments which are accepted by all of the top posters on here.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Ok, first things first - these are not the syndicated press (to my knowledge), they are not bound by the same laws as say a newspaper.

But I won't nitpick on that issue, although real news tends to be reported in the real press, in magazines such as KO and the ring plus boxing monthly and in newspapers and the bbc website.

But no.s 2 and 3 are a joke, just interview with biased parties and no detail whatsoever. I'd like to see you present that in a court of law.

4 - have you read the article, it mentions nothing about Hatton turning down floyd the guy just says that hatton fought maussa to support his argument that noone wanted to fight PBF.

5 - refers to the one time we can be pretty sure Hatton turned down mayweather, and is a shockingly bad pro-mayweather piece of diatribe.

I'm sorry but if you have more I suggest that they be better than this selection, which for the most part wasn't what I asked for. It's difficult to find proof of a guy turning down another, so I feel for you, but this isn't up to the task with the exception of Ray Hatton's comments which are accepted by all of the top posters on here.

RAY HATTON SAID IT... AND GREG LEON SAID IT.

IF I GAVE YOU NOTHING ELSE, RAY HATTON ADMITTED TURNING DOWN THE FIGHT. WHAT IS YOUR DISPUTE?

[MickyHatton]

Sure thing.....

1)

http://www.secondsout.com/USA/news.cfm?ccs=229&cs=17418

Father and business manager openly admitted the turned down the chance to at least negotiation for a Mayweather fight in 2004. "That was the one fight, style wise, which I thought we needed a few more fights before taking," said father Ray Hatton. "But now Ricky has gone up to the top level with Tszyu and got the big win, there's no-one I wouldn't put him in with and not feel confident that he'd beat."

2)

http://**********.com/pag/article6807.html

That's b o x i n g t a l k

Leon's Response: Some of Hatton's fans are delusional. While Hatton has proven his worth as a world class fighter, his people have turned down the Mayweather fight at least three times by now. If Hatton's people aren't ready for the fight (for good reason), why all the Hattonmaniacs act like Floyd is avoiding him is beyond me. Floyd is superior to Hatton in every way save for power, but in boxing speed is power and Mayweather speed advantage is so drastic that it would wind up becoming what Floyd would describe as easy work. Hatton versus Cotto or Castillo are the fights I want to see.

3)

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Duran/Coyote100705.htm

Coyote Duran: I can see how that would work in the end but you'd think now that Ricky Hatton would feel like he was wasting his time against a Carlos Maussa since he beat the real champion.

Frank Warren: I would've thought so. I mean, prior to that fight, I had offered him the (WBO titlist Miguel) Cotto fight. I had offered him (WBC titlist) Floyd Mayweather. Even Don King and I spoke about (Undisputed Welterweight Champion) Zab Judah. But when he went out to Atlantic City to see the Maussa fight, he wanted the Maussa fight. To me, it's a belt and I can understand, as a fighter, that he'd want that belt, but let's be honest about it. Kostya Tszyu vacated that title and Ricky Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu. So, on the same list as Joe Calzaghe, he was the #1 by Ring magazine. Who cares about that (WBA belt)?

Coyote Duran: Right. Hatton doesn't need Maussa's belt. He's the man.

Frank Warren: I agree with you! I agree, but I was willing to make the fight. I spoke to Pat English (of Main Events). We had agreed terms for the fight and in the meantime, Pat English was advised not to deal with me and that I couldn't deliver Hatton.

4)

http://www.tigerboxing.com/articles/...aid=1001245316

Mayweather’s search for a follow-up opponent makes one wonder if there weren’t some top boxers voting in the ESPN News poll. Willing to give up weight and travel to fighter’s home towns, he still couldn’t find an opponent. Ricky Hatton, the only 140-pounder left that might challenge Mayweather, instead signed to fight Carlos Maussa. There was talk of a bout with Miguel Cotto, but nothing ever materialized. Having essentially cleared out Light Welterweight with just his reputation, Floyd began looking elsewhere.


5)

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho...s/3950448.html

Kostya Tszyu isn't sure he'll fight again. His conqueror, Ricky Hatton, turned Mayweather down before money was even discussed.

Oscar De La Hoya has mentioned Mayweather, but said he won't consider him until late 2006.

That's around the time when Top Rank promoter Bob Arum said he'd be willing to put young and promising Miguel Cotto in against Mayweather.

There were others, including undisputed welterweight champion Zab Judah, but they couldn't come close to contract terms.

And boxers know there are two ways to get out of a fight: simply by saying no, as Hatton did, or by asking for more money than promoters will be able to pay.


IN A COURT OF LAW, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD CALL PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

I can keep going, but I thought FIVE would be enough.

You cannot use references to these sites as hard evidence, these sites on the whole are one sided and unbalanced!

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Ok, first things first - these are not the syndicated press (to my knowledge), they are not bound by the same laws as say a newspaper.

But I won't nitpick on that issue, although real news tends to be reported in the real press, in magazines such as KO and the ring plus boxing monthly and in newspapers and the bbc website.


5 - refers to the one time we can be pretty sure Hatton turned down mayweather, and is a shockingly bad pro-mayweather piece of diatribe.

I'm sorry but if you have more I suggest that they be better than this selection, which for the most part wasn't what I asked for. It's difficult to find proof of a guy turning down another, so I feel for you, but this isn't up to the task with the exception of Ray Hatton's comments which are accepted by all of the top posters on here.

BTW, The Las Vegas Review Journal is "a newspaper", but since the article is pro-mayweather, it has no credibility with you. Isn't it shocking that there would be a positive article about the consensus P4P #1 fighter? TRULY SHOCKING.

Tell me what else you need: a CNN or BBC or London Times or New York Times story that says "Hatton turned down a Mayweather fight"? Apparently, Ray Hatton's quote is not enough for you.

[OptimusWolf]

First read what i said re ray hatton's admission.

Then read your own and others' posts referring to Hatton point blank turning down formal offers from mayweather on 3 separate occasions, and generally ducking him.

And also most importantly follow the real developments closely.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Showing your true colours.

You cannot use references to these sites as hard evidence, these sites on the whole are one sided and unbalanced!

Seconds Out is a UK-based site and the quote is from Ray Hatton.

So if it is "one-sided and unbalanced", in who's favor would that balance tip?

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

First read what i said re ray hatton's admission.

Then read your own and others' posts referring to Hatton point blank turning down formal offers from mayweather on 3 separate occasions, and generally ducking him.

And also most importantly follow the real developments closely.

Ok. You're right. Hatton never turned down a Mayweather fight. The entire boxing community (including the UK press) was just fabricating those stories because Mayweather is so damn pleasant and Ricky is vilified.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

You cannot use references to these sites as hard evidence, these sites on the whole are one sided and unbalanced!

Question:

Are Kevin Iole and Greg Leon respected boxing writers?

[OptimusWolf]

you haven't read my post or you haven't understood it. I clearly stated that I and every other poster on here accepts that Hatton turned down negotiations in 2005. Ray Hatton corroborates that.

I don't care if someone has a good reputation for their boxing analysis, in the real world negotiations centre round correspondance, meetings and contracts, not some sloppy journo writing "Hatton wanted no part of Floyd". That isn't evidence.

laters.