Best Defense In Boxing?

[Addison]

I picked it exactly because it is a master's peformance by prime Hopkins, (and hence I was watching last night it after an argument in another thread with someone complaining Hopkins does not come to fight)

Great performance, landing those right hands flush on Echols chin, roughing him up on the inside, outboxing him from the outside, playing possum on the ropes. I would not have wanted to be Echols.

Still Hopkins gets hit from round 1 to round 12, and "Mayweather gets hit more in 4 fights than Hopkins in his entire career" is a false statement.

Glad you see it.

Factor in Echols tremendous punching power and physical strength and we have a good equation.

[Addison]

Thing people forget is that they all get hit in their own ways...in fact Hopkins probably gets hit the LEAST of all of them...

Toney and Mayweather do more standing in the pocket or on the ropes. So they will get hit to the body, but mentally (Toney, Mayweather) and physically (Mayweather) they are prepared to take it.

Hopkins doesn't stay in the pocket as much as they do, so he takes less to the body. Floyd will get hit from time to time by a speedy punch, but not by big power punches flush.

Floyd sometimes spends a lot of time waiting to counter, so vs a speedy opponent he may get hit while waiting and he moves straight back a lot.

Toney doesn't have good moving legs, so he will get hit to the body and he trades more inside. So his inside trading can get him touched up a bit more.

Winky comes forward with his gloves up and he invites punches in, so vs an active (Quartey, Soliman) or bigger fighter (Taylor) he will get touched up.

Hopkins is probably the smoothest of all of them. He doesn't move as much as Floyd, however he uses more offense. He moves more than Toney, so his body is untouched. He moves his head and torso more than Winky, so his face is untouched. He uses his size more than Floyd, so his opponents are a little more intimidated.

You got that right!

Hopkins is the true choice, and apparently the sophisticated one..

[Addison]

The voting is still reflective of the intelligence and comprehension of the average idiot.. But I'm glad I was able to root out a few sharp cookies.

Cheers to you boys.

[Addison]

When Mayweather actually fights someone with a good offensive game what happens then?///

Guys like Judah, and De La Hoya?


I'll tell you what happens..

They tag the **** out of him, or bull the **** out of him.

There is no defense whatsoever. None.

Floyd enabled himself to win those fights by going on the offensive.



Willie Pep he AIN'T!....

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Glad you see it.

Factor in Echols tremendous punching power and physical strength and we have a good equation.

glad you saw Echols landing on Hopkins, buckling his knees, for a second there i was worried for your eyesight.

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When Mayweather actually fights someone with a good offensive game what happens then?///

Guys like Judah, and De La Hoya?


I'll tell you what happens..

They tag the **** out of him, or bull the **** out of him.

There is no defense whatsoever. None.

Floyd enabled himself to win those fights by going on the offensive.


Willie Pep he AIN'T!....

On the offensive? against Oscar? for like 3 minutes out of 36, evenly distributed across all 12 rounds.

[Addison]

On the offensive? against Oscar? for like 3 minutes out of 36, evenly distributed across all 12 rounds.

Yes, Mayweather won the fight by going on the offensive by initiating the exchanges, throwing the lead right, and alternating rythm..

What fight did you see??

[ROSEWOOD]

No-brainer.......

[Addison]

glad you saw Echols landing on Hopkins, buckling his knees, for a second there i was worried for your eyesight.

What are you talking about???

Echols landed hard shots in the first, landed a few desperate shots in the mid rounds, and landed one huge right in the 12th.

He BARELY landed over the course of that fight, and any SINGLE shot that landed was overly highlighted by his awesome strength.

Don't let perception fool you.

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Yes, Mayweather won the fight by going on the offensive by initiating the exchanges, throwing the lead right, and alternating rythm..

What fight did you see??

1)"initiating the exchanges" those are exactly the 3 minutes out of 36 i was mentioning, unless you intend "landing the only punch in the exchanges"

3) "alternating rythm" i would not call "offense" by any means

4) Oscar threw more lead jabs than Floyd's lead anything. In fact Oscar was throwing more through the whole fight. (Of course, we both noticed he didnt land much)

and finally Hopkins and Toney's is not Pep or Locche's either. they mount a consistent offense, moreso than Mayweather. Especially before they reached retirement age.