Kimbo Fight

[TomC03]

Thats not why Pride was bought out.

Pride was making money hand over fist until the allegations came about that they were dealing with "The Yakuza" and they lost their TV deal with Fuji TV. They were pulling in ratings that stayed steady above 13.5 and reached 18.6 with Shockwave 2003. When they lost that TV deal they had no other real source of income because Japanese aren't big on PPV. So they ran outta money and the UFC bought them out. If they didn't lose that TV deal they would still be around, it has nothing to do with what they paid their fighters.

Yeah, this is true. Where did I say Pride was bought out for a different reason?

[Genghis Con]

When I say average boxer I'm talking about the guys fighting on the undercards of the Boxing PPV's, and the guys fighting on ESPN tuesday,wendsday and friday night fights. Compared to the undercard of the UFC.

It's a pretty big difference. The Top boxers are being paid way more than than the top UFC guys like I said. But the average guys on the undercard are not

[Genghis Con]

Yeah, this is true. Where did I say Pride was bought out for a different reason?

For UFC 71, they made 4 million at the live gate, plus a million ppv buys. A million ppv buys at $40 dollars is $40 million plus the $4 million from the gate. With the UFC bringing in $44 million, they paid their fighters around $1 million of that. This is why the UFC is still around and getting bigger while Pride has been bought out, and other organizations aren't as successful as the UFC...

That last part

[jamesbrown]

Maybe Boxing should try bringing some of those guys over. Last time I checked...barley anyone is watching boxing anymore...

spoken like a "huge fan of boxing"

Delahoya mayweather did amazing PPV but the day after....every channel I turned to...all I heard was "I will never order a boxing fight again" "Waste of money" "Boxing is dead"

that chuck liddell/rampage fight was great let me tell you all the drama all the excitement.... one punch not so great huh???

How many PPV buys did Judah vs Cotto get? 10k?...the worse UFC cards pull in 500k...

i think 175K you know this is boxingscene.com where boxing fans post...
the MMA is good sometimes great but why are u here downing boxing "huge fan"

[jamesbrown]

like the new pic

[TomC03]

The gist of what I was saying was the UFC's business model is a very successful, legit one. The business model as a whole. Pride, while I loved the fighters in it and loved the whole presentation of it, was run by a lot of corrupt and shady businessmen. It was doomed to fall eventually. Aside from the dealings with the Yakuza which you already pointed out, there are some fights that have been proven to be "works". Also, Rampage reported that he was offered money to throw his fight against Sakuraba, but he refused.

[Genghis Con]

that chuck liddell/rampage fight was great let me tell you all the drama all the excitement.... one punch not so great huh???

i think 175K you know this is boxingscene.com where boxing fans post...
the MMA is good sometimes great but why are u here downing boxing "huge fan"

I remember turning on ESPN and everyone saying their gonna buy the next UFC and how much they liked "ALL THE FIGHTS BEFORE THE MAIN EVENT"

Boxing should take notes.
Why not stack a PPV card and put better fights on?

The DLH x PBF undercard was Joe Nobody vs Joe Who?
why not put the Cotto vs Judah fight on the undercard? and another big fight?

Paying $50 for one lame fight just doesnt do it anymore...

I'm just speaking the truth bro. I know it's hard to hear but it's the truth. Corrupt promoters killed boxing and it's just getting worse. I have been a fan since the early 90s but its not the same anymore...

[Genghis Con]

The gist of what I was saying was the UFC's business model is a very successful, legit one. The business model as a whole. Pride, while I loved the fighters in it and loved the whole presentation of it, was run by a lot of corrupt and shady businessmen. It was doomed to fall eventually. Aside from the dealings with the Yakuza which you already pointed out, there are some fights that have been proven to be "works". Also, Rampage reported that he was offered money to throw his fight against Sakuraba, but he refused.

Rampages claim was refuted by Pride's lawyers and Mauro Renallo, one of the commentators. He said that Pride will give fighters a bonus to win and a smaller bonus to lose by Ko or sub. Prides lawyers brought the contract that said Rampage had a win bonus of 5k if he beat Sakuraba.
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[TomC03]

First, you weren't talking about the average no-name boxer vs. average no-name UFC fighter at the start of this. You were mentioning Tito and Chuck.

Second, regardless, the no name boxer still gets roughly the same, if not more than the no name UFC'er. A rather popular well-known fighter like Keith Jardine only making 7k for his last fight, Chris Leben making 10k, lesser known guys making 3-5k...

The no-name boxer is still cracking a bit over 10k per fight.

[TomC03]

Rampages claim was refuted by Pride's lawyers and Mauro Renallo, one of the commentators. He said that Pride will give fighters a bonus to win and a smaller bonus to lose by Ko or sub. Prides lawyers brought the contract that said Rampage had a win bonus of 5k if he beat Sakuraba.
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