Who was/is Better P4P Champ PBF or RJJ

[Technical_Skill]

** Mayweather has only had one HOF fight, and that was against an aging Oscar who has become more HOF promoter than boxer. Maybe down the road Genero Hernandez gets in...maybe.

Roy beat 3 guaranteed HOF locks at or near their prime, Hopkins, Toney, and McCallum, plus one more who may get in, Virgil Hill.

It appears that Mayweather has a lot of fairweather fans who really don't much about boxing. Floyd just barely won a title in the division Roy had his first fights in. Fairweather fans claim Floyd's in his prime. Can you imagine how fast young Roy would walk through that ****** shoulder roll and level poor Floyd?

Hopkins was not in his prime when he fought Jones, Toney was on a drip the night before the fight i believe because he couldnt make weight.

Virgil Hill aint all that,

Floyd faced better consistent opposition, and you know, people were picking gatti to knock him out, people picked judah to knock him out, People even picked Baldomir to knock him out, and ill dig out those threads when i have the time, if people really wanna play.

Now i love Jones, but dont make me have to put up their resumes, because Mayweather's is better, and mayweather is the better boxer technically as well.

At the end of the day Floyd might as well stay retired right now, hes not ******, whatever he does he aint gonna get no credit, he gave up nearly a stone to fight de la hoya in a smaller ring, with gloves which would hurt his hands taking a small percentage of the cash, he did everything de la hoya wanted, and then beat him. Still gets no credit.

Now cotto beat Judah (who mayweather schooled and was gonna stop before judah did the low blow) and now he is the new flavor of the month, its just emabarssing to read these ****ty posts every day on NSB.

Its getting beyond a joke now, so here's a clue,

who is

- 5 weight world champion
- WBC champion at 21 years old
- The only fighter in boxing to win the WBC (the proper belt) in 5 divisions (according to the man himself)
-Ring Magazine Fighter of the year at 21 years old.

And he did this all by age 30.

Thats incredible, you just gotta give him his dues for that.

[LondonRingRules]

Hopkins was not in his prime when he fought Jones, Toney was on a drip the night before the fight i believe because he couldnt make weight.

** I'm not a Roy fan, but the man was a singular one off talent.

Hopkins was 27yrs old, 22-1, and been fighting for 4 yrs, so how the hell is he not at or close to his prime? Toney had weight problems his whole life, just like many greats. Point being that Floyd never made significant prime HOF fights and never made fans gasp in awe like Roy did, so it's probably too late for him to turn things around. Let's not forget that Roy only lost a handful of rounds in the first 15 yrs of his career and held the p4p crown for a decade at least.

At best Floyd'll be remembered as the guy who took on the p4p title after Roy and then Hopkins faltered, and even now a good case can be made for Pac being the p4p champ or even Calzaghe.

One thing Roy and Floyd share is that both tend to be overrated by modern fans. Boxing doesn't have the wealth of talent it used to, so great talents don't have the wealth of competion past greats have had, so they dominate by default sometimes.

[Technical_Skill]

** I'm not a Roy fan, but the man was a singular one off talent.

Hopkins was 27yrs old, 22-1, and been fighting for 4 yrs, so how the hell is he not at or close to his prime? Toney had weight problems his whole life, just like many greats. Point being that Floyd never made significant prime HOF fights and never made fans gasp in awe like Roy did, so it's probably too late for him to turn things around. Let's not forget that Roy only lost a handful of rounds in the first 15 yrs of his career and held the p4p crown for a decade at least.

At best Floyd'll be remembered as the guy who took on the p4p title after Roy and then Hopkins faltered, and even now a good case can be made for Pac being the p4p champ or even Calzaghe.

One thing Roy and Floyd share is that both tend to be overrated by modern fans. Boxing doesn't have the wealth of talent it used to, so great talents don't have the wealth of competion past greats have had, so they dominate by default sometimes.

Have you Seen the Jones Hopkins fight?

Hopkins was not in his prime, no way, hadnt found himself as a figher at that stage and hadnt honed his craft to the levels it was when he made those 20 defences, personally i think Jones would have beat him in his prime anways, but no hopkins was not in his prime when he fought jones.

There is a difference between having problems making weight and being on a drip the night before the fight, you work it out.

I'll ignore the comment about Floyd dominating by default, most writers agree the man has one of the best skill set of all time and i cant be bothered to go through why he is a legend for the 100th time,

But here's a clue, your boy Hatton is fighting castillo in a 'megafight' in june 2007, mayweather fought castillo in his prime in his 1st fight at 135 pounds for the title, he also fought de la hoya at 154 in his 1st ever fight at that weight too, no tunes ups, so give that some thought before calling him overrated.

And nobody in their right mind could ever make a case for Joe Calzaghe being p4p number one.

[LondonRingRules]

But here's a clue, your boy Hatton is fighting castillo in a 'megafight' in june 2007, mayweather fought castillo in his prime in his 1st fight at 135 pounds for the title, he also fought de la hoya at 154 in his 1st ever fight at that weight too, no tunes ups, so give that some thought before calling him overrated.

** Floyd was better and ****ier then. Castillo put doubt in him, so Floyd tiptoed up the welt division with 2 nontitle fights before challenging the weakest of the jr welts, Gatti. He then turned down a Zab challenge back when Zab held 3 belts and fought a non title fight with Mitchell. He only fought Zab AFTER Baldamir beat him up and took all but one of Zab's belts. Baldamir was too poor to pay the sanctioning fees for the IBF belt, so yeah, it appears you've given little thought to Floyd's career other than making it unnaturally glossy.

[BmoreBrawler]

RJJ could do offense and defense, Floyd, just defense after 140. RJJ is the more complete fighter with power and speed.

[Technical_Skill]

** Floyd was better and ****ier then. Castillo put doubt in him, so Floyd tiptoed up the welt division with 2 nontitle fights before challenging the weakest of the jr welts, Gatti. He then turned down a Zab challenge back when Zab held 3 belts and fought a non title fight with Mitchell. He only fought Zab AFTER Baldamir beat him up and took all but one of Zab's belts. Baldamir was too poor to pay the sanctioning fees for the IBF belt, so yeah, it appears you've given little thought to Floyd's career other than making it unnaturally glossy.

What are you talking about?

1) Gatti was wbc champ, tzyu was the super champ, mayweather called out tzysu several times, tysu decided not to take up the challenge and went to fight hatton in england, therefore Gatti was WBC champ, floyd beat him fair and square, which is why floyd was WBC champ.

2) After floyd beat Gatti he appraoched hatton several times for a unification fight, hatton priced himself out, (he admits that himself) mayweather had to move up to 147.

3) The Mayweather Judah fight was made when Zab was Undisputed champ, Judah took Baldy as a tune up fight and lost, so your facts about that bit are completley wrong there also.

[yrrej]

Jones was more aggressive and fought bigger and stronger.....

[LondonRingRules]

What are you talking about?

1) Gatti was wbc champ, tzyu was the super champ, mayweather called out tzysu several times, tysu decided not to take up the challenge and went to fight hatton in england, therefore Gatti was WBC champ, floyd beat him fair and square, which is why floyd was WBC champ.

2) After floyd beat Gatti he appraoched hatton several times for a unification fight, hatton priced himself out, (he admits that himself) mayweather had to move up to 147.

3) The Mayweather Judah fight was made when Zab was Undisputed champ, Judah took Baldy as a tune up fight and lost, so your facts about that bit are completley wrong there also.

** Nah, you just got too much Floyd gloss and glitter in your eyes. Floyd didn't take up the Zab challenge issued loudly in the ring and press after Zab KOed Spinks. Zab fought Rivera and Baldomir and didn't fight Floyd for 14 months because it took that long for Floyd to overcome his shyness. Floyd was busy trying to back out of the Gatti fight by getting in trouble with the law and disappearing which infuriated Arum. Finally the fight was done in June with Floyd taking very little punishment and looking great. Instead of making a giant undisputed welter bout he took on a fading contender, Mitchell for less money and it's still a fact as I stated he fought Zab AFTER Baldomir beat him up.

Follow the money Sonny and the truth comes out since this is what they fight for, except when they are afraid of being knocked out. Of course Tyzsu took the Hatton bout, again, follow the money. Floyd doesn't have the fan base and media appeal Hatton has in Europe. Floyd wouldn't travel to Manchester to fight Hatton for greater money either. In fact he took short money to fight Gatti and Oscar because he had no choice if he wanted the fights, but at least he got to stay stateside.

Following the money, he retires hoping the promoters finally recognize his brilliance and offer him the moon. Too bad you can't give it to him, but you do a fair glossy job for him, so maybe he can hire you for his HOF intro 10 yrs from now.

[Technical_Skill]

** Nah, you just got too much Floyd gloss and glitter in your eyes. Floyd didn't take up the Zab challenge issued loudly in the ring and press after he KOed Spinks. Zab fought Rivera and Baldomir and didn't fight Floyd for 14 months because it took that long for Floyd to overcome his shyness. Floyd was trying to back out of the Gatti fight by getting in trouble with the law and disappearing which infuriated Arum. Finally the fight was done in June with Floyd taking very little punishment. Instead of making a giant undisputed welter bout he took on a fading contender, Mitchell for less money and it's still a fact as I stated he fought Zab AFTER Baldomir beat him up.

Follow the money Sonny and the truth comes out since this is what they fight for, except when they are afraid of being knocked out. Of course Tyzsu took the Hatton bout, again, follow the money. Floyd doesn't have the fan base and media appeal Hatton has in Europe. Floyd wouldn't travel to Manchester to fight Hatton for greater money either. In fact he took short money to fight Gatti and Oscar because he had no choice if he wanted the fights, but at least he got to stay stateside.

Following the money, he retires hoping the promoters finally recognize his brilliance and offer him the moon. Too bad you can't give it to him, but you do a fair glossy job for him, so maybe he can hire you for his HOF intro 10 yrs from now.

Have you just landed on the moon, hard to keep your feet on the ground isnt it?

One more time.

Zab Judah and Floyd Mayweather agreed to fight BEFORE the baldomir fight, Judah took the baldomir fight as a tune up for floyd, he lost, what part of that cant u understand?

Floyd was trying to back out of the Gatti fight?

lol.

No offence, but you talk ****, seriously.

[LondonRingRules]

Have you just landed on the moon, hard to keep your feet on the ground isnt it?

One more time.

Zab Judah and Floyd Mayweather agreed to fight BEFORE the baldomir fight, Judah took the baldomir fight as a tune up for floyd, he lost, what part of that cant u understand?

Floyd was trying to back out of the Gatti fight?

lol.

No offence, but you talk ****, seriously.

** You fictionalize history, obliviously.

Zab called out Floyd very publically on national TV/print in Feb 2005 after knocking out Spinks, wanting a superfight. Floyd was busy hiding during Gatti negotiations and then trying to get himself thrown into jail, so Zab fought a breezer against Rivera. Still no Roy after Gatti, so King schedules Baldomir, Floyd then schedules a confidence booster against Mitchell in Nov2005 and agrees to a Zab fight in April 2006. Floyd was 9 months coming to the table and it cost him the undisputed title and a superfight. Boxing 101.

Floyd fought 12 times from his first title, 11 title fights, 1 non title fight, until moving up to welt. Since then he's had 5 nontitle bouts, and 4 title bouts and thinks he's a middleweight. Yeah, gloss that up for him!