Are we high? How can this make you a P4P?

[DiegoFuego]

Me? I like to be surprised. I like to see a fighter figure out his opponent while he's fighting him. I like to see him find ways to slip punches, and put leather on his opponent at the same time. I like to see beautiful counterpunching in answer to an overly aggressive opponent, brilliant feints, and to see a fighter time his opponent and take advantage of openings at the same time I see them and think "There's a hole, take it!". I like to see a knockdown happen not from a brutal punch from an overmuscled 'roid fiend, but rather from a perfectly placed and timed hook or cross right on the button, a punch that looks on camera like it barely touched the guy until you see him land on his ass.

Those are a few of the things that I like to see in a fight.

Then you are a Mayweather fan. This is self-ownage like I've never seen it before.

[DiegoFuego]

You may as well never post again after this performance you've put on here today. Bashing Mayweather only to reveal he's exactly what you like about boxing. Or claim to like at least. I'm at work and fell out of my desk reading this I laughed so hard.

[Stickman]

Mayweather hasn't fought like I've described above in years. He's spent the last few years doing the same thing he did against Oscar. You've an image of Mayweather in your mind that he simply can't live up to, apparently.

[-EX-]

He spent the last few years outboxing people. Outboxed Oscar, Judah, and Baldomir.

[SnoopySmurf]

Mayweather may not be a SRL or Ali or SRRobinson, but he's made great fighters look bad.

I would like to see him fight Cotto.

[LemonChiff]

He's spent his whole life out-boxing people. It must be boring.

[Pandaman64]

The fact of the matter is, outside of DLH and judah, one must split hairs to find fights worthy of mention in PBF's career.

The problem between the PBF fans and the PBF haters is they both think boxing is something completely different.

Many, not all, but many PBF haters seem to be expecting him to be A stand and trade KO artins and that it's his responsibility to entertain the crowd. Not true.

The PBF fans, seem to be under the delusion that a boxers job is to do nothing but win, and because PBF keeps winning (against arguably bland competition) he is a master Boxer. Wrong once more, on both counts.


Consider the following:

Boxing is a form of self defence, correct? It wasn't created as a game, like footbal or basketball, hence it's categorization of a combat sport.

This means that the ultimate goal of boxing has nothing to do with 'points' or 'winning a decision'. The ultimate goal is to incapacitate, kill, or otherwise stop your opponent from fighting you. Don't believe me? Then why is it that initial boxing matches had infinite rounds, if not because of the goal of a KO?

This is the reason for emphasis on evasion. Boxers aren't meant to spend minutes at a time retreating. They are meant to use their abilities to keep the opponent in range to attack them while not getting hit. This is why the famous addadge is "hit and not get hit", not the other way around.

The best and purest example of True boxing comes from Pernell 'sweet pea' whitaker. A fighter with so much boxing skill, he actually stood in front of fighters and dodged entire combinations at a time, usually taking the oppurtunity to land quite a few good shots of his own.

PBF by comparison, usually spends most of his time turtling up on the ropes, using his blistering footwork to stay out of range of his opponent. He then uses the same speed to dart in, score points, and dart out. This, due to it's highly ineffective amount of damage and lack of using any real boxing skill to create openings, can not be defined as boxing. This would be more properly described as a game of tag.

Now to the mayweather fans, if thats what you enjoy, fine. Lots of people like tag. I have a relative that won a ribbon at a picnic for playing tag. It's fine, for a childs game. What you PBF fans must realize, is that for the rest of us boxing fans, we want to see an actual boxing match. We want to see masters of the art of boxing use their skills to try to destroy each other, while evading incoming blows. So please excuse those who hate PBF if they feel tricked for paying to watch tag. PPVs are expensive, and no one likes being stuck with a product that doesn't fulfill it's ultimate purpose.

And to the PBF haters, try to remember that somehow, PBF fans have found a way to find enjoyment in PBFs fights. While you PBF haters may feel this is the physical equivalent of getting water from a rock or finding a needle in a haystack, PBF fans love their boy through anything and everything, and actual talent really doesn't matter, because they found something to enjoy about him. Just try to smile and nod, and generally humor them as they pretend to know what their talking about. You should be happy anyway, he's retired, after all. Just pray it stays that way.

[pbftxrs316]

Who is the ***** now?

Can you really argue with my post?
**** no.
Make like the biatch that you are and suck on Floyds nuts you sorry ass fan boy.

I bet if Floyd asked you to suck on his nuts you would do it with out thinking twice.

You got no mind and you are blind.

Brainwashed motha ****a.

Floyd ain't **** and he has you little nikkus fooled.

Ha Ha Ha!

he must have the people who made the p4p list up fooled too huh? read this carefully as i will not post anything else on this thread to you.

you talk about floyd fighting bums, list them and the reasons why you thought they were bums, and this is fair as far as your opinion goes. then you get a little support from a guy and that's cool to have agreers.

now, let's get educated here a little bit fella, huh?

you call floyd this and that and then discuss his resume like you're a boxing expert. but, i have all of floyd's fights, and he does deserve his p4p status because he is the best fighter in the sport today and has been for years, and the sport is called boxing, which floyd does better than anyone else imo. this is why he has his status. you talk about corley and how cotto destroyed him, and leave out that the stoppage was really early. did you not see floyd knock corley down 4 times even though the ref called 3 of them slips, when floyd obviously hit him. cotto fought corley after floyd fought corley, so your argument there is useless. also, corley rocked cotto and had him in deep trouble when they fought. floyd got rocked by corley only to knock him down right afterwards. you talk about phillip n'dou, and who was he? well he a tough fighter with 30 kos on his record and a good puncher. and, then you make a little sarcastic comment on, isn't he the guy who's fight paul malaginaggi on saturday, and cotto has fought both of these guys, l'overmore n'dou and paul and won by ud, not ko. floyd beat a guy with 30kos in 31 fights by knockout wise ass.

you bring up sosa and how cotto destroyed him and the leave out how floyd sosa before cotto fought sosa and beat him in a ud. you talk about gatti, judah, and baldomir like they didn't have belts, so they had to be good fighters and gatti and judah are dangerous to any fighter. look what zab di dto cotto, he could've stopped him in their fight. you leave out that floyd fought corrales when corrales was undefeated and the favorite in the fight. you say he fought an old oscar, past prime sharmba mitchell, and etc when many thought oscar would knock floyd out. and oscar trained like a madman. you leave out the fact that cotto fought a zab who wasn't active for a year, and had 1 short tuneup fight. floyd fought zab coming off of a loss, but he was still active and always a threat. you leave out that floyd's called out shane, oscar, winky, hatton, cotto, kosta, cassmayor, hamed, frietaz, lazscano, and more and most of them turned him down, with the exception of oscar who lost to him.

the p4p list as far as mayweather jr goes is fine. he is the number 1 fighter in the sport ****face, so deal with it

[pbftxrs316]

The fact of the matter is, outside of DLH and judah, one must split hairs to find fights worthy of mention in PBF's career.

The problem between the PBF fans and the PBF haters is they both think boxing is something completely different.

Many, not all, but many PBF haters seem to be expecting him to be A stand and trade KO artins and that it's his responsibility to entertain the crowd. Not true.

The PBF fans, seem to be under the delusion that a boxers job is to do nothing but win, and because PBF keeps winning (against arguably bland competition) he is a master Boxer. Wrong once more, on both counts.


Consider the following:

Boxing is a form of self defence, correct? It wasn't created as a game, like footbal or basketball, hence it's categorization of a combat sport.

This means that the ultimate goal of boxing has nothing to do with 'points' or 'winning a decision'. The ultimate goal is to incapacitate, kill, or otherwise stop your opponent from fighting you. Don't believe me? Then why is it that initial boxing matches had infinite rounds, if not because of the goal of a KO?

This is the reason for emphasis on evasion. Boxers aren't meant to spend minutes at a time retreating. They are meant to use their abilities to keep the opponent in range to attack them while not getting hit. This is why the famous addadge is "hit and not get hit", not the other way around.

The best and purest example of True boxing comes from Pernell 'sweet pea' whitaker. A fighter with so much boxing skill, he actually stood in front of fighters and dodged entire combinations at a time, usually taking the oppurtunity to land quite a few good shots of his own.

PBF by comparison, usually spends most of his time turtling up on the ropes, using his blistering footwork to stay out of range of his opponent. He then uses the same speed to dart in, score points, and dart out. This, due to it's highly ineffective amount of damage and lack of using any real boxing skill to create openings, can not be defined as boxing. This would be more properly described as a game of tag.

Now to the mayweather fans, if thats what you enjoy, fine. Lots of people like tag. I have a relative that won a ribbon at a picnic for playing tag. It's fine, for a childs game. What you PBF fans must realize, is that for the rest of us boxing fans, we want to see an actual boxing match. We want to see masters of the art of boxing use their skills to try to destroy each other, while evading incoming blows. So please excuse those who hate PBF if they feel tricked for paying to watch tag. PPVs are expensive, and no one likes being stuck with a product that doesn't fulfill it's ultimate purpose.

And to the PBF haters, try to remember that somehow, PBF fans have found a way to find enjoyment in PBFs fights. While you PBF haters may feel this is the physical equivalent of getting water from a rock or finding a needle in a haystack, PBF fans love their boy through anything and everything, and actual talent really doesn't matter, because they found something to enjoy about him. Just try to smile and nod, and generally humor them as they pretend to know what their talking about. You should be happy anyway, he's retired, after all. Just pray it stays that way.

this was arguably the stpuidest **** i have read on boxingscene forum in the history of posts i have read on boxingscene forum. i read the first sentenece and my intial thought was that this was just another hate post about floyd. then, i read your 2nd sentence, and i thought okay, maybe he's going somewhere, even though it was pretty obvious that floyd fans and haters view boxing in different ways, so you didn't even have to post that, because this is far from a problem. actually, it is good to view boxing in different ways, it shows boxing as an artform, and more than a one-dimensional sport.

i read your 3rd sentence, and i agree with you, and i added to that(in my mind of course) that pbf haters base their anger off of his outside personality and their opinions on his career stems from that, not all haters, but many.

i read your 4th sentence, and i can respect this argument, but i don't feel this way at all, but it's perception on your part, and that's fine. coming from a boxing fan, a boxer himself, and a lover of boxing, i view boxing as an artform. i view boxing as a battle between two warriors who use their skills to win a fight. why do anything competitive and that involves contact if you don't want to win? it doesn't make since. i also appreciate two warriors giving their best at what they do to win. that is entertaining for me.

your next two points were pretty fair, but the initial boxing matches haven't been around for over centuries have they? how can you argue this but just a few sentences prior make a claim that floyd haters seem to think that boxing is all about standing and trading and being ko artisans and that's not true, and then make this claim that the intial boxing matches involved incapactitating, killing, or stopping your opponents, thus the term combat sport. so, after reading this claim, i couldn't wait to read your next thought.

after reading your next few thoughts about evasion and pernell whitaker and floyd most of the time turtling up against the ropes, using his blistering footwork, i laughed because how can he have blistering footwork up against the ropes genius? he can't, he has to either block, or use his upperbody movement. floyd has blistering footwork as you call it in the center of the ring. you go on to talk about real boxing skills, like you know what "real" boxing skills are. whitaker was a true boxer right? did he not dip and dodge punches like floyd mayweather who he is often compared to? did he not counterpunches and potshot like floyd does. did he not use for the lack of a better word, blistering footwork? yes, he did. you want to know how i know, because my fighting style is like both pernell's and floyd's and i have all of their fights, and i have watched in in depth. does true boxing involve counterpunching? yes. does floyd counterpunch well? yes. does "true" boxing not involve blistering footwork, great upperbody movment, great timing, accuarcy, ring wittiness, great body positioning, intelligence on the ring, great defense, and more? yes. floyd have all of these traits? you damn right he does. i would love to read what your defintion of a "true boxer" is, because pernell and floyd did a lot of the same things, yet, pernell was a "true boxer" and not floyd? how can you make such claims like floyd turled up against the ropes, and avoided punches but then because since pernell stood right in front of you and dodged punches, he is a "true boxer" and floyd isn't? is fighting off of the ropes and doding punches off of the ropes and countering off of the ropes not harder than in the middle of the ring? i don't think so little one. on the ropes you have nowhere to go unless you have floyd mayweather's skills and can dodge and block punches and counterpunch off of them. becoming clearer yet? i hope so. so, after reading your nobel peace novel about basically nothing up to this point, i decided to go even
further, because it got easier and easier to make criticisms about your post.

i read your last 2 paragraphs and they went hand and hand and pretty much summed up your whole arguement and of cousre my initial assumption about your post. this was just another floyd hate thread, and that's it. all of your history talk about killing, incapacitating and more boringness went out the window and the little credibilty you had to begin with died with your post after reading your final comments. you talk about floyd playing tag as if he doesn't have knckouts on his record. you think he plays tag, then you should be able to take him right? anyone can win at tag. you want knockouts, killings, and incapacitations in boxing. you're just a pbf hater like you went on to claim, i'll give you that. you could have spared us the bull**** logic and opened your post with, "i'm a pbf hater." that would have saved you from this response and emabarrassment. but, you chose to bore us with hatred like many others on here. but, never fear, "true"(there goes that word again) boxing fans like myself are here to set you, the "haters" straight with real logic and not contradicting remarks like you made throughout your post.

respond to this logically like you did in your post and i'll be happy to continue further. pbftxrs signing off.

[pelonxsoldier28]

yea there is a point there, and maney have said it a million times about lil floyd. but there will always be someone on this forum hanging from lil floyds balls. are you people that obseced with him. you guys are kinda scary.