Are we high? How can this make you a P4P?

[Technical_Skill]

I think this is where PBF fans and haters are split. Fans watch what PBF does and are truly impressed. He doesn't get hit. Not really. And to his fans that's impressive. Fighting in such a manner, while not particularly eye-catching to most, or particulary using high levels of boxing skill, takes approximatly a CRAPTON of speed and even MORE stamina. The fact that he is able to sustain such footwork for 10 rounds is amazing, and a phenomenon in itself.

I however, believe that it takes FAR more skill to go towards another fighter and not get hit, than to go backwards (out of range) and not get hit. It is my belief that turtling up on the ropes is not an indication of brilliant boxing. Nor is backing up. It is my belief that the greatest boxers are those that go forward, towards the opponents punches, and STILL manage to not get hit (think whitaker, winky wright to a lesser extent).

Try walking towards your friend and not getting hit. I think you'll find it more challenging than the wall.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Yeah personally i found it easier going forward rather than on the backfoot, espeically when he rushed me, i dont box, we were pissing around but fighting on the backfoot requires more balance and a better defence imo. Just because you are on the backfoot, doesnt mean you are out of the opponents range all the time. Just means you in range but having to fight backwards.

Technically there is no such thing as 'running', its called boxing from the outside, and if you think mayweather is bad, watch spinks, lol.

[El Chupacabra]

Sharmba was a tune up. Baldomir was a champion. Gatti didn't say anything about weight. That fight would have went the same way. Gatti barely landed a glove on Floyd. Margarito sucks. Cotto was already scheduled for other fights. People picked DLH to beat Floyd. Floyd beat him easily. Floyd didn't even use his A game. He was throwing 1 or 2 punches at a time, and letting Oscar throw bull**** flurries on the ropes, which any fighter could do.

Do you really think PBF beat Oscar easily. Are you absolutely blind. Oscar had the fight all the way if he would have kept his jab going. Every time Oscar threw his jab he had Floyd confused and realing back. He didn't give PBF a chance to set up his combos.

[Pandaman64]

Sharmba was a tune up. Baldomir was a champion. Gatti didn't say anything about weight. That fight would have went the same way. Gatti barely landed a glove on Floyd. Margarito sucks. Cotto was already scheduled for other fights. People picked DLH to beat Floyd. Floyd beat him easily. Floyd didn't even use his A game. He was throwing 1 or 2 punches at a time, and letting Oscar throw bull**** flurries on the ropes, which any fighter could do.

Margarito may suck, but he was the one everyone wanted judah to fight before mayweather moved to 147. Not to mention it would've been good for floyd to go ahead and beat margarito just so PBF could look to his critics and say STFU!

Baldomir was a journeyman champion. I loved seeing his fight with judah, but everyone knew that he wasn't in the same league as mayweather. I remember laughing when he called PBF out thinking "There's no way PBF would waste his time on this guy. This guy's barely a step up from gatti. No way." Six months later, the fight was on. Margarito > Baldy.

I don't see why people keep mentioning cotto. He didn't really come into his own as a fighter 'till PBF retired. At 140, PBF would have easily cruised to a victory, and cotto hasn't really fought enough at 147 to convince me PBF still wouldn't be able to do that.

DLH vs PBF...DLH was throwing bs flurries, which any fighter could do. It could also be argued that any fighter could throw a measly 1 or 2 punches at a time, as PBF was doing. This was PBFs biggest fight, and by your own admission he didn't bring his A game. I sure as hell hope his A game is impressive, because his game vs DLH was garbage. He wasn't remotely trying to hurt DLH. Pitiful. It really signals something bad for a fighter when he doesn't fight his A game in his biggest fight.

[Pandaman64]

Yeah personally i found it easier going forward rather than on the backfoot, espeically when he rushed me, i dont box, we were pissing around but fighting on the backfoot requires more balance and a better defence imo. Just because you are on the backfoot, doesnt mean you are out of the opponents range all the time. Just means you in range but having to fight backwards.

Technically there is no such thing as 'running', its called boxing from the outside, and if you think mayweather is bad, watch spinks, lol.

Are you certain you found it easier to avoid punched going forward, or are you talking about fighting in general? It's very odd to feel better coming forward and slipping punches than it is to go back. On a side note, if you try turtling with the cross-guard stance on the wall, it would be much easier to find an opening back to the center.

Yeah, I was watching spinks fight Taylor, and couldn't believe how pissed they were at spinks for the way he fought, but then turn around and praise mayweather as a master technician. Can't have it both ways. Funny, he really though he beat taylor too!

Prime examples of running in boxing: Camacho Vs Trinidad, Joppy vs Taylor, PBF vs Castillo I, Camacho vs Chaves, Spinks vs Taylor, etc.

There are many more, Particularly in the careers of spinks, PBF, and Camacho (ESPECIALLY Camacho). Those are just the best examples I can think of.

[-EX-]

If Floyd needed to use his A game he would've. He had to do more to beat Judah. DLH did give him trouble with the jab in the rounds he used it. He didn't use it enough. That's the only thing which gave Floyd trouble. I gave Oscar 4 rounds. Oscar failed trying to be rough with Floyd. He was never gonna outbox Floyd.

[Technical_Skill]

Are you certain you found it easier to avoid punched going forward, or are you talking about fighting in general? It's very odd to feel better coming forward and slipping punches than it is to go back. On a side note, if you try turtling with the cross-guard stance on the wall, it would be much easier to find an opening back to the center.

Yeah, I was watching spinks fight Taylor, and couldn't believe how pissed they were at spinks for the way he fought, but then turn around and praise mayweather as a master technician. Can't have it both ways. Funny, he really though he beat taylor too!

Prime examples of running in boxing: Camacho Vs Trinidad, Joppy vs Taylor, PBF vs Castillo I, Camacho vs Chaves, Spinks vs Taylor, etc.

There are many more, Particularly in the careers of spinks, PBF, and Camacho (ESPECIALLY Camacho). Those are just the best examples I can think of.

I found it easier to slip shots coming forwards (when he threw i tried to lean away sorta thing) then being against a wall with him throwing shots at me, i think most people would.

But anways i think it takes more skill to fight on the backfoot, and mayweather can fight both ways anyways when he wants to.

[Pandaman64]

If Floyd needed to use his A game he would've. He had to do more to beat Judah. DLH did give him trouble with the jab in the rounds he used it. He didn't use it enough. That's the only thing which gave Floyd trouble. I gave Oscar 4 rounds. Oscar failed trying to be rough with Floyd. He was never gonna outbox Floyd.

Lol he had to do more to beat judah. He only needed to be in that ring for 4 rounds. After that, he literally could've napped in the ring and judah STILL wouldn't have won. He looked like a kid with ADD, instead of focusing on PBF, he was looking everywhere.

The fact of the matter is, just because a fighter doesn't need his A game, doesn't mean he shouldn't bring it. Great fighters bring their best. Period. There is no discussion.

I agree with the jab. I thought when he used it DLH was winning easily. I also had no idea that DLH was so crappy at throwing bodyshots on the ropes. Surprising. In essence it wasn't really PBF that impressed there, but DLH that disappointed. There were things everyone thought he was gonna do, and people were looking forward to seeing PBF have to react to them. Sadly this was not the case, and PBF was free to do the same thing he always does.

I don't really agree with your scoring, but there's no way I'm actually going to go back and watch that snozer of a fight to verify my own scoring.

[Pandaman64]

I found it easier to slip shots coming forwards (when he threw i tried to lean away sorta thing) then being against a wall with him throwing shots at me, i think most people would.

But anways i think it takes more skill to fight on the backfoot, and mayweather can fight both ways anyways when he wants to.

Agree to disagree I suppose. Interesting insight. Cong**** on being the first rational PBF fan I've ever spoken with.