ricky hatton can only beat 2 (at beast) welterweights

[hugh grant]

[QUOTE=$iN;2301183]The difference between Hopkins and Hatton in terms of their runs in one division is HUGE. Hopkins unified all the titles and defended his title 20 times. Hatton is living off one win. His title defenses against Maussa and Urango are a joke. When Hatton defends that title maybe 10 times, then we can give him credit for dominating his division. As it stands now, he's not even close...
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You still are generalizing. Hatton is not living off one win. He wasnt beaten before being a lightwelterweight champ and now he has a belt he isnt being beaten still. He steps up a weight and gets a belt. Hopkins didnt step up a weight and was a p4p fighter.

Do you just have to be American to be one or something?

Maussa and Urangos of this world arent far from most of hopkins opponents. Unless your talking about a lightweight DLH and welterweight Trinidad. He beat one middleweight i rated at the time Howard Eastman who has turned out not to be so good. And Hatton has dominated his division because he has beaten every lightwelterweight out there to the point he has run out of opponents now. Its gonna take a generation for the new generation of lightwelters to come through so Hatton will be the boy in that weight for a few good years, until he gets too old or decides to step up agaim.

[Guest]

You still are generalizing. Hatton is not living off one win. He wasnt beaten before being a lightwelterweight champ and now he has a belt he isnt being beaten still. He steps up a weight and gets a belt. Hopkins didnt step up a weight and was a p4p fighter.

Before he won the belt from Tsyzu, he had no notable wins. Nothing but a bunch of journeymen and fringe contenders. That's why he's living off one win. Again, if he defends the title at least 10 times he can earn some respect for longevity. But he really only has two defenses against subpar opposition. Hopkins didn't make it to the top of the P4P until he spent years dominating middleweight...

Do you just have to be American to be one or something?

No, because I have no problem with Joke Calzaghe being considered P4P because of his longevity at 168 even though his resume is lacking...

Maussa and Urangos of this world arent far from most of hopkins opponents.

But 2 opponents does not equal 20...

Unless your talking about a lightweight DLH and welterweight Trinidad. He beat one middleweight i rated at the time Howard Eastman who has turned out not to be so good. And Hatton has dominated his division because he has beaten every lightwelterweight out there to the point he has run out of opponents now. Its gonna take a generation for the new generation of lightwelters to come through so Hatton will be the boy in that weight for a few good years, until he gets too old or decides to step up agaim.

Hatton has done anything but dominate every contender at 140. Has he unified the titles? No, because he refuses to fight Junior Witter, a fighter who would probably beat Hatton due to the style match up. He also hasn't faced Lovemore N'Dou, Vivian Harris, Souleymane M'Baye, Demetrius Hopkins, or Kendall Holt. Hatton has 42 wins and not a single one of them is against a current top 10 junior welterweight. To claim that Hatton has dominated 140 is a joke...

[hugh grant]

I could simplfy it that Hatton is p4p rated because Kostya was. Whether you actually think Kostya deserved to be rated isnt really the point really though is it? He was rated and so dont u think Hatton deserved to be rated for beating a rated fighter? And stepping up a weight as well regardless of how he performed because he had an off night.
Lets not even talk about how many times Hatton has to defend his belt to be an elite boxer.

[Technical_Skill]

I could simplfy it that Hatton is p4p rated because Kostya was. Whether you actually think Kostya deserved to be rated isnt really the point really though is it? He was rated and so dont u think Hatton deserved to be rated for beating a rated fighter?

This is true.

Lets not even talk about how many times Hatton has to defend his belt to be an elite boxer.

This isnt true.

Names please?

lol.

[.Mik.]

No, because he refuses to fight Junior Witter, a fighter who would probably beat Hatton due to the style match up. He also hasn't faced Lovemore N'Dou, Vivian Harris, Souleymane M'Baye, Demetrius Hopkins, or Kendall Holt.

The irony being that is Hatton took on any of those fights and won, you'd crucify him for taking on a bunch of mandatories and contenders and not trying to fight the big career defining names.

[Steelhammer86]

The irony being that is Hatton took on any of those fights and won, you'd crucify him for taking on a bunch of mandatories and contenders and not trying to fight the big career defining names.

Yes, it seems no matter who he fights, some people will crucify him for it. And no matter who he beats, they'll say the opponent was a tomato can or over the hill.

[JAHamilton77]

Yes, it seems no matter who he fights, some people will crucify him for it. And no matter who he beats, they'll say the opponent was a tomato can or over the hill.

Gotta admit before Tszyu, Ricky spent a great deal of time against a real fringe set. Tszyu was an astronomical step up (and I dont feel Tszyu was finished entering that fight). Since though its been a path of least resistance type moves.

He saw Maussa get a lucky win over Harris and he siezed on Maussa knowing this win was simply an aberration, but Maussa's name was hot at that moment.

The Collazo fight you can give him some slack because he took that fight, because another fight fell through (vs Lazcano I believe), and it was a step up to a new weight. Still people didnt look at Collazo as much of a threat. (though he turned out to be).

Upon his drop back to 140 he went for the weakest champion out there in Urango who got a gift against Rabah. I will grant that this decision might have been based on his previous standing in the IBF though.

Even now is he taking Castillo because Castillo looked terrible against Ngoudjo? Nau probably not, since they probably had this match up planned when they fought on that card together, but still some haters might construe it as making the decision easier.

[CoLd_WaVE]

you guys need not to worry... i don't see Hatton moving to the welterweight division anyway...

[squealpiggy]

Hopkins moved up 2 divisions to 175 already and dominated Tarver. Tarver was not a paper champ like Collazo. Tarver was the recognized light hw champion.

Hopkins began his pro career at light heavy before dominating the middleweight division and I believe he saw a weakness in Tarver he thought he could exploit.

[Guest]

The irony being that is Hatton took on any of those fights and won, you'd crucify him for taking on a bunch of mandatories and contenders and not trying to fight the big career defining names.

I would prefer he fights the best, but if he's going to sit at 140 he could at least fight some of the guys in the top 10. Is that too much to ask?