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  • JAHamilton77
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    #21
    Originally posted by dino
    ricky hatton better take care of his body, because if he moves to welterweight he wont SMELL a title i only see this guy beating 2 welterweights at best

    1.mayweather-LOSE
    2.mosley-LOSE
    3.cotto-styles make fights and cotto would brutally beat hatton
    4.baldomir- too big LOSE
    5.margarito-too big LOSE
    6.williams- too big LOSE
    7.judah-could go either way depending on which judah shows it
    8.citron-LOSE
    9.clottey-LOSE
    10.quitana-LOSE

    i think urkal could out point hatton
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    Mayweather - LOSS
    He'd probably lose to Floyd, his only real chance would be to slow down and dity up the fight and hope for a Floyd broken hand or a very generous set of judges.

    Mosley - LOSS
    Mosley is great at running people into his power shots and he would do this with Ricky all night, he can also fight at a more muted pace if he has too. Worst matchup on the board for Hatton.

    Cotto - LOSS
    Fights the same type style (not the exact same style), but does it alot better, faster, and is bigger.

    Baldomir - WIN
    I think after the Mayweather fight, Baldomir has probably lost his enthusiasm for boxing. It would be a messy and very slow affair, but Baldomir wouldnt be able to KO Hatton, and Hatton would beat him to the punch eachtime before they hugged.

    Margarito - LOSS
    I could see Ricky having success in spots, but in the end Margarito would overwelm him with size and activity, because Hatton likely wouldnt open up.

    Williams - LOSS
    Hattons best chance would be to make the fight on the inside where Williams isnt as effective, also to test Williams to the body, if he can do this he might have a chance. If the fight stays at mid to long range Williams would straif him and beat him to the punch all night.

    Judah - WIN
    Judah would clown Hatton early, but doesnt have the temperment to stay on his game, and eventually it would catch upto him. Judah doesnt have the same switch as Mayweather where he can turn things on and off when he wants too, once the power (momentum) goes off in Judah its over.

    Cintron - WIN
    He'd steadily close down distance on Citron and eventually would break him down mentally, followed shortly by the physical break down. Cintron doesnt have the movement or boxing skills to keep Hatton off, and Cintron panics under pressure.

    Clottey - LOSS
    Clottey is too fast, has too good of a chin, and keeps too tight of a gaurd for Hatton to win. Hattons only chance would be to ramp up the activity level like Margarito & Corrales did and keep Clottey on the defensive, even here Clottey is an underated counter puncher. This would be a tough one for Hatton

    Quintana - Pick'em
    Quintana is a hard guy to figure out, but he has effective movement and works great on the outside (and on the move), and isnt too bad on the inside. It would be up to Hatton to cut off the ring (Cotto could, Julio couldnt) and not just follow him around (if he just follows Quintana will eat him up). If he could trap Quintana and unload he'd have a fair chance.

    Urkal - WIN
    You are a silly one.

    7-4 or 6-5 depending on the Quintana fight.

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      #22
      Originally posted by trips420
      I dont see why people are always trying to compare him to welters.Ricky is just to small to fight these natural welters.I would put him in with some of the smaller welters like Zab Cotto or Floyd but i wouldnt throw him in with any natural welter 5'9 or over.When you factor in his height small reach and the style he fights its easy to see any of the bigger welters just walking him down over rounds.
      Roberto Duran is an inch taller than Hatton and he went from lightweight to supermiddle. Hatton can't even handle moving up one division. If you can't handle moving up even just ONE division, you are not an elite fighter. You don't belong on a P4P list...

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        #23
        Originally posted by $iN
        Roberto Duran is an inch taller than Hatton and he went from lightweight to supermiddle. Hatton can't even handle moving up one division. If you can't handle moving up even just ONE division, you are not an elite fighter. You don't belong on a P4P list...
        Good post,i remember Ricky saying before the Collazo fight he felt strong at his new weight,his punches are more powerful and he can move better,as soon as Collazo outboxed and hurt Hatton,Hatton moved down,and says he dnt want to move up again,i think Collazo dishearted him in moving up

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          #24
          Originally posted by $iN
          Roberto Duran is an inch taller than Hatton and he went from lightweight to supermiddle. Hatton can't even handle moving up one division. If you can't handle moving up even just ONE division, you are not an elite fighter. You don't belong on a P4P list...
          Dont try and think you're coming out with clever stuff..when if you happened to think a bit more you would realize it is not so clever what u r saying and generalizing too much. Hatton did move up and he won a belt. Didnt win easily but where in the rule book does it say things have to be easy. Collazo was a genuine welterweight champ in the way Hatton was a genuine light welterweight champ. So what is this talk that if he cant move up just one division, you are not an elite fighter. And doesnt belong on a p4p list. Joe Calzaghe and Bernhard hopkins spent all there lives in one division and noone had an idea if they could move up and be successful but it hasnt stopped them being p4p top fighters. Its what you are able to do in your weight. Ok are you saying because Hopkins was in middleweight all his life you cant rate him a top p4p. Well if that is the case why dont you tell Ring magazine and tell them your logic.

          Originally posted by bishop2006
          Good post,i remember Ricky saying before the Collazo fight he felt strong at his new weight,his punches are more powerful and he can move better,as soon as Collazo outboxed and hurt Hatton,Hatton moved down,and says he dnt want to move up again,i think Collazo dishearted him in moving up
          Hatton said he felt stronger than Collazo at the beginning of the fight. But as the fight went on he was losing stamina. If there is a fight at welterweight i have no doubt whatsoever he would move up again.

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            #25
            Originally posted by hugh grant
            Dont try and think you're coming out with clever stuff..when if you happened to think a bit more you would realize it is not so clever what u r saying and generalizing too much. Hatton did move up and he won a belt. Didnt win easily but where in the rule book does it say things have to be easy. Collazo was a genuine welterweight champ in the way Hatton was a genuine light welterweight champ. So what is this talk that if he cant move up just one division, you are not an elite fighter. And doesnt belong on a p4p list. Joe Calzaghe and Bernhard hopkins spent all there lives in one division and noone had an idea if they could move up and be successful but it hasnt stopped them being p4p top fighters. Its what you are able to do in your weight. Ok are you saying because Hopkins was in middleweight all his life you cant rate him a top p4p. Well if that is the case why dont you tell Ring magazine and tell them your logic.
            Hopkins moved up 2 divisions to 175 already and dominated Tarver. Tarver was not a paper champ like Collazo. Tarver was the recognized light hw champion.

            How can a fighter be so good at one division and look like absolute **** just 7 pounds up? That makes no sense to me and that's why I think Hatton is overrated. Look at what Shane Mosley did to Collazo and Mosley started at lightweight!

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              #26
              Originally posted by $iN
              Hopkins moved up 2 divisions to 175 already and dominated Tarver. Tarver was not a paper champ like Collazo. Tarver was the recognized light hw champion.

              How can a fighter be so good at one division and look like absolute **** just 7 pounds up? That makes no sense to me and that's why I think Hatton is overrated. Look at what Shane Mosley did to Collazo and Mosley started at lightweight!
              There really was no point in you replying to my post if you werent going to answer my queries. Hopkins has only just won that fight against Tarver to win a lightheavyweight title.
              Hopkins has spent all his career at middleweight and for years he has been a p4p fighter by just being at middleweight. Noone knew he could beat Tarver at lightheavyweight. So what im saying is you can be rated a p4p fighter by being great in yoiur own weight. If noone can beat you at your best weight. Hatton beat Collazo and man who hadnt been beaten for years and years at welterweight. Along comes Hatton and steals his title.

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                #27
                Originally posted by $iN
                Roberto Duran is an inch taller than Hatton and he went from lightweight to supermiddle. Hatton can't even handle moving up one division. If you can't handle moving up even just ONE division, you are not an elite fighter. You don't belong on a P4P list...
                Presumably Kostya Tszyu was unworthy of his place on the P4P list then?

                Also, Hatton DID move up and he DID win a title at his first attempt. I do think that this needs to be pointed out. He achieved more than Kostya.

                Originally posted by bishop2006
                Good post,i remember Ricky saying before the Collazo fight he felt strong at his new weight,his punches are more powerful and he can move better,as soon as Collazo outboxed and hurt Hatton,Hatton moved down,and says he dnt want to move up again,i think Collazo dishearted him in moving up
                Outboxed and hurt, yet victorious. That says quite a lot, does it not?

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Miksterious

                  Outboxed and hurt, yet victorious. That says quite a lot, does it not?
                  Yep, Judges still cant add up scorecards properly.lol.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by dino
                    ricky hatton better take care of his body, because if he moves to welterweight he wont SMELL a title i only see this guy beating 2 welterweights at best

                    1.mayweather-LOSE
                    2.mosley-LOSE
                    3.cotto-styles make fights and cotto would brutally beat hatton
                    4.baldomir- too big LOSE
                    5.margarito-too big LOSE
                    6.williams- too big LOSE
                    7.judah-could go either way depending on which judah shows it
                    8.citron-LOSE
                    9.clottey-LOSE
                    10.quitana-LOSE

                    i think urkal could out point hatton
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                    i agree too

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by hugh grant
                      There really was no point in you replying to my post if you werent going to answer my queries. Hopkins has only just won that fight against Tarver to win a lightheavyweight title.
                      Hopkins has spent all his career at middleweight and for years he has been a p4p fighter by just being at middleweight. Noone knew he could beat Tarver at lightheavyweight. So what im saying is you can be rated a p4p fighter by being great in yoiur own weight. If noone can beat you at your best weight. Hatton beat Collazo and man who hadnt been beaten for years and years at welterweight. Along comes Hatton and steals his title.
                      The difference between Hopkins and Hatton in terms of their runs in one division is HUGE. Hopkins unified all the titles and defended his title 20 times. Hatton is living off one win. His title defenses against Maussa and Urango are a joke. When Hatton defends that title maybe 10 times, then we can give him credit for dominating his division. As it stands now, he's not even close...

                      Oh, and that Collazo that hadn't lost for "years and years" lost to a bum in 2003. Since that loss, the only decent fighter he'd faced is Jose Antonio Rivera and he barely beat him on a split decision. Again, this is the same Collazo that a former lightweight thoroughly dominated while Hatton, who is supposedly a big jr. welter, had so much trouble with...

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