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A nice record indeed. But lets be real here. About 90 of them fights were against bums. He would get a good win against a solid opponent and then for his next few fights he would fight guys with records like 5-3, 4-3, or with losing records. Had he stayed against world level opposition constantly like most fighters now adays and didnt wait till around his 50th fight to shoot for a title than his record would be nothing like it is.
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I agree Barrera did fight good opposition just as Morales did, what im saying is barrera took more breaks from fighting tough opposition than did Morales. Therefore Morales's career was more glorious because he went from one grueling tough fight to another and the same simply can not be said for Barrera. And it wasnt because Barrera was too good to be in a grueling fight, it was because he was in the ring with fighters that had no business being in there with him often.
Also im glad he is planning to fight pacquiao again but he's been planning to do so for what seems like decades so I wouldnt hold my breath.Comment
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Barrera fought:
Jesus Salud
Naseem Hamed
Enrique Sanchez
Erik Morales
Johnny Tapia
Kevin Kelley
Manny Pacquiao
Paulie Ayala
Erik Morales (again)
all in a row. Thats pretty tough fights to take all in a row like that. He then took his mandatory which means he had to do it or his title would be stripped against Mzonke Fana. He unified the tites with Robbie Peden after that.
Then he was in grueling fight with Rocky Juarez. Many people said stay away from a rematch, Barrera is done. I remember the HBO announcers saying Barrera should avoid a rematch after that fight too. What does he do? He fights Juarez again and erases all doubts. Thats a man right there.
and then his next fight is against who? One of the best fighters and most avoided fighters of this era, Juan Manuel Marquez.
Barrera fights in a lot of tough fights back to back.Comment
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I allways tought People that call fighters overated and wernt even around in the fighters time LAME! Because they dont know what was going on at that time, who was who! the only way you can call someone overated is if you grew up watching them or really did your history.Comment
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Never thought i'd cheer for a gay boy but come March 17th I will be waving my little pink flag for Marquez.[/QUOTE]
You know what they say about people who hate Gay people so much.....? Deep down their really Gay at heart. The closet door is open just step out. No one on the forum will mind?Comment
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i'm not looking for agreement...just explanation why barreras accomplishments put him over the top as opposed to slighting morales' achievements. like which variables in barreras career trump morales'.
i'm not here to say my opinion is the only right thing, i just want to present information and leave it out there for everyone to make up their minds. and yes, ill admit, to persuade a bit.
i think it's unfair to say that morales win over pacquiao is worthless because he was stopped twice later on by pacquiao. everyone who watched those fights knows that erik was closer to his best in the first fight. the ring wear had taken it's toll by the third, if not the second.
the only semi-controversial fight erik was involved in after the first barrera bout was the first espadas fight. people weren't used to seeing erik pressed by fighters of espadas' stature, so it gained an almost false title as being a questionable decision. erik still won that fight.
chi is a tough little bastard and would make anyone look bad.
it's stuff you said like this:
you didn't say anything about barrera here. famoso hernandez was a good fighter and he was el saldvadors first champion ever i believe. not a significant fighter, but no walk in the park for a smaller man. better than the robbie pedens of the world. chavez would have given barrera as much or more trouble than he gave morales. barrera has trouble with high energy fighters like that.Morales is also lucky Jesus Chavez only had one arm when they fought because he probably would have won. He gave Morales hell with only one arm and almost KOd Morales in the first round. And Famoso is nothing special man.
eriks career outside of their 3 close fights is greater than barreras. he beat better fighters closer to their respective best forms. his run at 122 is greater than any single division barrera has gone through. morales' career was like barreras on coke. he was determined to be the first 4 division mexican born champion and he just barely couldn't get there. he beat everyone that he fought outside of raheem and he has beaten every common opponent that he shares with marco. morales was dat dude.Comment
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How about the hall of fame bantam Daniel Zaragoza, former or current champs like Wayne McCullough, In Jin Chi, Hector Acero-Sanchez, Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, etc. Those guys all matter because they were all good fighters at one point. Those were all top guys at one point when Morales and Barrera were fighting. Opposition faced may have been the same, opposition BEATEN was something else. Morales beat both Jones and Pacquiao. When two fighters aren't as hotly debated at these guys and one is clearly better than the other, that doesn't matter. I think it tells us something though.Barrera has fought just as good opposition in my opinion. What good fighters did Morales fight that seperate him from Barrera. And please dont say In Jin Chi or any of them guys. If anything, Barrera seperates himself from Morales as far as opposition goes with the fights vs McKinney and Hamed, not to mention hes planning on taking on Marquez and Pac again in the near future.
As far as the first two Barrera-Morales fights, i jsut explained the controversy in the first fight to show that Barrera should be the one of unified the 122 pound titles instead of Morales. I do think Morales won the second fight, and I think Barrera won the first. Barrera deffinately won the third though.
The only controversial thing about the decision in that first fight was the phantom knockdown that they called against Morales. No punch landed, Morales was pushed down. Thinking about their history, I highly doubt Morales approached Barrera and told him that. I understand that's what Barrera said, but what kind of proof is that...
The second fight was as controversial than the first. Morales was controlling those early rounds rather easily and the rest of the fight was a dead split.Comment
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Come on bro u know everyone i put an asterisk next to their name should not have been in there with Barrera they were either completely shot gone through a beating at the hands of Morales already, or were no longer viable contenders for anything serious. Even a fight with rocky Juarez was kind of pointless since Rocky had just decisively lost against a superior fighter, Humberto Soto.Comment
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lol he only took the rematch because he knew he would not trade with Juarez second time round and just box his way through, which is fine BUT why didn't he do the same with Pacman and give him a rematch straight away just like you say he did with Juarez and seem to be talking about that like he's some kind of warrior?
Bit of a contradiction when you say one thing where you're praising Barerra for taking Juarez on straight after as if he's not afriad of anyone YET why has it been 4 years since he made up all that **** after losing to Pacman and still not backed it up. You can't have it both ways. I will not let this rest until Barerra keeps to his word and allows all that crap he chatted and rematches Pacman.
You KNOW if that was Morales he would of rematched Pacquiao in a second, none of this 4 years of excuses bolloks avoiding him like a ***** and calling him out everytime he has something on. Morales would NEVER of done that that's why I respect him much more not just as a fighter but as a person aswell.Comment
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