street fight vs. boxing

[Steak]

People also forget that when you throw a powershot in boxing you're putting all your weight on the balls of your feet. That's where the power comes from. Not only can that leave you off balance....it also leaves your legs unprotected. A few leg kicks and you wont be able to put any weight on your lead knee. Therefore unable to box or use footwork.

what, and kicking doesnt leave you off balance? fighters can lose balance just by overextending themselves, how open do you think a fighter would be if he only had one foot on the ground?

a kick can be a nice weapon, but they clearly have their weaknesses. not to mention that people hurt themselves by landing a kick on another guy.

[lfcdynasty]

I dont know if you guys watch the K1 kickboxing but those guys while very good offensively are constantly wide open for shots and off balance. Makes for good entertaining back and forward fights but none of them have the defensive skill set of a boxer.

[2501]

i would rather have boxers with me in a brawl than mixed martial artists.

How many times do street fights involved more than one person?

The last fight I was in, it was against 6 drunken dudes who were all pounding on a friend of mine outside of a club 2 years ago. I ran towards them and did prolly the only "MMA" strike that would had been effective for me for the whole incident. The "flying knee". I caught one of them with it and he went flying. After that, they all came at me and I began to throw punches at anyone getting closer to me.

I only threw punches because punches took less time for me to throw than a round house kick, than another knee, than a kick. Of course, they eventually took me down, I was able to bring one guy down with me and just held on to him while the other 4 went to town on me.

What good would had been an armbar?
What good would had been grappling at that point?
What good would had been a triangle choke?

None at all. I would had gotten my ass beat worse. Lets get real here, most of us are most likely to get into a fight in a bar or club or outside of these places. When are these fights really just "one on one" fights?

If you plan on being a street fighter, challenging people to one on ones, then Kickboxing would be the dicipline you want to learn because striking is the best technique to win fights. If you want to wreck shop because of the type of incidents that happen when you're out and about trying to have a good time, I'll take boxing over anything.

Being good with your hands in street situations > being good on the floor

[shadeyfizzle]

what, and kicking doesnt leave you off balance? fighters can lose balance just by overextending themselves, how open do you think a fighter would be if he only had one foot on the ground?

a kick can be a nice weapon, but they clearly have their weaknesses. not to mention that people hurt themselves by landing a kick on another guy.

Look....my whole argument was that it depends on the practitioner and not the art. Anybody trained in anything would have a huge advantage in a street fight over your average joe just based on the fact that they're "trained" for situations like that.

However boxing itself as an artform compared to anything else is not the giant mismatch alotta the delusional ******s on these boards make it out to be. Sure it's simple and practical which is very important for real life situations but it's not foolproof. Wrists and hands can break without handwraps and stance doesnt match up well stylistically with other forms of self defense. And dont forget even boxing itself as we know it today borrows certain aspects from other forms of martial arts as well

[hobart_barista]

IMHO (and these comments are to a point general):

Wrestling, Sambo, BJJ, and JJJ- great until you get your teeth kicked in by their mate. Nevertheless, they are invaluable forms due the the amount of fights that go to the ground.

Kickboxing- Really good, though requires more space, as has been iterated, probably better for more 1v1 stuff- and let me just mention that, as you may have noticed, street fights are a little different to Bruce Lee's movies.

Kung fu- pretty av, although requires good athleticism. Though Wing Tsun/Wing Chung AKA "Chinese boxing" are very good, probably focusing too much on technique than physicality however, good for girls (actually developed by two women)and small guys. JKD was actually a very flashy modification for this made by Lee for the movies. He was originally tought by Yip man and did a lot of work with Wong sheung long (who was an amazing fighter- fighting and winning about 70 street fights with little rules and no weight classes- btw he was a small guy), but he wanted to get into the big bucks. I know this because I did some training with Enzo Verratti who trained under Wong sheung long.

Karate- absolute rubbish, let's not even go there. Though the really good guys would be dangerous no doubt.

[Unbiased]

I think the idea of streetfights ending up on the ground is overrated. How many times have you seen people get into **** at a bar or a club and lay on his back inviting the other guy into his guard?

Not only that, a lot of grappling and groundwork wouldn't work on say blacktop or on hardass concrete. You'd bust your knees up on a hard floor just trying to go for many varieties of takedowns.

[qaz741]

A "boxer" by nature is limited by the title: boxer, which in effect limits him to all the rules of the game, which, if he/she has been training in it for a long while, is only going to fight a certain way and expecting a certain response and result from his/her opponent.

A streetfight, by nature, is dynamic and unpredictable, therefore no rules or agreements apply, and anything and everything can be utilised to defend oneself, i.e: one's body parts and/or objects.

Oh, and there are no judges or referees to stop the fight if someone gets "hit below the belt".

It is very difficult to end a fight with one punch. Much less, if one is not physically fit or conditioned to last more than a few minutes engaged in fighting.

Too many variables come into play in a street fight, especially when one doesn't know who one is fighting or the environment where the fight just so happens to take place. Fighting in the squared circle provides a sense of security when the people involved know what to expect.

A person who can "fight" should include and make use of all the tools of fighting available, not just throwing the hands as in boxing.

Of course, one can master the boxing basics and be successful in many fights.

The question then becomes are you fighting for sport, for fun, or to protect your own life and those you love?

Your answer to that question is very critical and extremely important when choosing to fight in any way.

The mixed martial arts have made a major contribution to the "sport" of fighting by making us aware that many people who adapt certain "styles" are in fact limited to that "style" or form of fighting.

As you may guess, this sounds like a reference to the fighting philosophy of Bruce Lee, someone who has influenced myself and many around the world in the observation of hand to hand combat.

Lee wanted people to observe and consider that fighting a certain way and naming that way of fighting, limits the person using that form of fighting and virtually puts him/her in a box, so to speak.

The Gracie Jiu jitsu family just made the world more aware of this on a larger scale and proved that certain "styles" are limited in successful execution when it comes to fighting in a sport environment.

Boxing, per say, is a very popular form of entertainment, exercise, and even a career for many who choose to participate in it.

Just keep in mind that limitations apply when adapting any style of fighting.

Ultimately, the best way to know if boxing or any other style works for you, is to simply fight others who use a different style or styles. This way, you would be applying a Bruce Lee methodolgy of: Find your own truth in combat.

This pretty much sums up the thread

otherwise, just look at the game street fighter . bALROG IS The form of tyson.... and i think he's one of the worst character in the game loL

[KostyaTszyu44]

I had an argument today with a friend that believes that boxers cannot hold their own in a street fight. He believes that other combat sports such as karate, olympic wrestling, judo, mixed martial arts are highly superior compared to boxing and that boxers outside the ring cannot handle their own when they are not in the ring. He pretty much believes that boxing is the lowest form of fighting technique. I got really aggrevated by this and told him that boxing is very disciplined and that he wouldn't stand a chance against a boxer in the ring or outside the ring. He then responded by saying something dumb like "well boxers only punch, so in a street fight, I'll kick him in his knee and tackle him." By a response like that, I was really mad and also dissapointed thinking that a lot of non-boxing fans feel this way?
Do any of your friends who are not boxing fans or boxing fans think that boxing is the lowest form of fighting technique?

most of my friends respect boxing and know it would help a whole lot in a streetfight

tell your friend if hes so confident to try and fight a good boxer in the street and see how many times he gets put on his ass

[them_apples]

i would rather have boxers with me in a brawl than mixed martial artists.

How many times do street fights involved more than one person?

The last fight I was in, it was against 6 drunken dudes who were all pounding on a friend of mine outside of a club 2 years ago. I ran towards them and did prolly the only "MMA" strike that would had been effective for me for the whole incident. The "flying knee". I caught one of them with it and he went flying. After that, they all came at me and I began to throw punches at anyone getting closer to me.

I only threw punches because punches took less time for me to throw than a round house kick, than another knee, than a kick. Of course, they eventually took me down, I was able to bring one guy down with me and just held on to him while the other 4 went to town on me.

What good would had been an armbar?
What good would had been grappling at that point?
What good would had been a triangle choke?

None at all. I would had gotten my ass beat worse. Lets get real here, most of us are most likely to get into a fight in a bar or club or outside of these places. When are these fights really just "one on one" fights?

If you plan on being a street fighter, challenging people to one on ones, then Kickboxing would be the dicipline you want to learn because striking is the best technique to win fights. If you want to wreck shop because of the type of incidents that happen when you're out and about trying to have a good time, I'll take boxing over anything.

Being good with your hands in street situations > being good on the floor

perfect example

[pistol whip]

In a street fight a boxer will have advantages over a boxer and a boxer has advantages over a wrestler. If the fight goes to the ground the wrestler win but if the fight stays standing the fight goes to the boxer. But a well rounded MMA fighter will beat both without breaking a sweat. Why? Because he's well rounded! Thats the bottom line now shut the **** up already!