Dempsey must be a star!

[Willie Pep 229]

It's almost as if Harry Wills didn't exist. I get exhausted just reading this stuff. Imagine how Harry Wills felt.

If the blame is to be placed on Kearns, Dempsey is complicit as far as I'm concerned. To keep claiming the public didn't want it (while everyone around him is claiming the public wants) seemed to be his manufactured out.

When it was all said and done Sam Langford got abused, Harry Wills came out of it, OK!

In an transcendental sense, Harry Wills did indeed get denied justice. But his nemesis (Tex Rickard, not Dempsey), who was the only man who could have actually made the fight happen but refused, in the end, took pretty good care of Harry Wills.

Through Rickard, Wills got two $100,000 plus pay days. In 1924 Wills' purse for Firpo was $124,000, in that same year Babe Ruth's salary for a 156 game season was $60,000.

Beside, Wills also got to spend six years in New York being recognized by millions as the 'uncrowned champion.'

Wills got to retire with money in his pocket, popular, and his with faculties intact. Yes there was no 'justice' regarding the championship but Wills made out OK!

The worst thing that happened to Harry Wills, was Tex Rickard; the best thing that happened to Harry Wills was Tex Rickard. It's a tale of two Rickards. (Ouch! Sorry about that.)

And talk about the populace wanting the fight?

Here's how popular Harry Wills was in New York, he could help build a local gate just by appearing. IMO a Dempsey-Wills fight draws over 100,000.



Now, Sam Langford, he got abused!

[travestyny]

When it was all said and done Sam Langford got abused, Harry Wills came out of it, OK!

In an transcendental sense, Harry Wills did indeed get denied justice. But his nemesis (Tex Rickard, not Dempsey), who was the only man who could have actually made the fight happen but refused, in the end, took pretty good care of Harry Wills.

Through Rickard, Wills got two $100,000 plus pay days. In 1924 Wills' purse for Firpo was $124,000, in that same year Babe Ruth's salary for a 156 game season was $60,000.

Beside, Wills also got to spend six years in New York being recognized by millions as the 'uncrowned champion.'

Wills got to retire with money in his pocket, popular, and his with faculties intact. Yes there was no 'justice' regarding the championship but Wills made out OK!

The worst thing that happened to Harry Wills, was Tex Rickard; the best thing that happened to Harry Wills was Tex Rickard. It's a tale of two Rickards. (Ouch! Sorry about that.)

And talk about the populace wanting the fight?

Here's how popular Harry Wills was in New York, he could help build a local gate just by appearing. IMO a Dempsey-Wills fight draws over 100,000.



Now, Sam Langford, he got abused!

But we have no way of knowing how life turns out for Wills if he gets his shot. That's not to say that Langford or others didn't have it bad. It isn't a competition. lol.

But I disagree that Rickard was the only one who could make this fight. There were certainly other promoters willing and able.

[HOUDINI563]

Rust...You do know every sentence you wrote is misinformation.

No one ever stated, that had a brain, that Cooney beats Louis. You are pulling that out of your ass. Cooney was dangerous but you needed much more to beat Louis.

Wepner was a journeyman fighter. Borderline top ten contender. Never thought of as dangerous as you try to claim. In fact he had poor punching power. His main claim to fame was bleeding and taking punishment. That’s it.

Wilder does not know how to fight. Period. Dangerous but lacking most all boxing basics. You trumpeting him as a great heavyweight or believing he beats ATG opponents just shows your ******ity. In fact your ******ity oozes from your every post. Sad. Study up.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Rust...You do know every sentence you wrote is misinformation.

No one ever stated, that had a brain, that Cooney beats Louis. You are pulling that out of your ass. Cooney was dangerous but you needed much more to beat Louis.

Says the guy who's never seen a single one of Louis' fights.

Schmeling, Buddy Baer, Tony Galento, Conn - COoney hits harder than everyone of them. He was a fast starter with busy out-put.

I get it, you have heard that Louis was one of the best. You have also heard Cooney wasn't a great fighter. You know that being good in Boxing means being able to beat lesser fighters. So you conflate that to mean Louis would BEAT Cooney. That's an incorrect conclusion. Simply bother to watch Louis' fights, instead of reading what others have said about him, and you'll see why he's in for an ugly fate against Cooney.

Not that you understand Football, either, but here's an analogy. Idiots really like analogies. Joe Montana helped revolutionize football as a Quarterback. The dude had ice in his veins. In a very violent era, where plays decided careers, the dude simply appeared indifferent. He was crazy focused and always got the ball where it needed to be. You don't see that focus or toughness today, not very often. But Montana wouldn't make it through College today. Relatively speaking, he had a noodle arm.

Holmes had a much better chin than Louis, and entered the ring a little bigger. He had early success catching Cooney off-balance with a big right hand. But he still elected to get on his bike and move when he realized Cooney wasn't going to fold. Joe wasn't that versatile. And when he was hurt he simply doubled-down. That works against the Abe Simons of the world, but not Cooney who had the power to MOVE a fat Foreman.

Wepner was a journeyman fighter. Borderline top ten contender. Never thought of as dangerous as you try to claim. In fact he had poor punching power. His main claim to fame was bleeding and taking punishment. That’s it.

You're too flattering. He out-right ******.

Still, he got in there with the best of his era.

He wouldn't get a lisence to fight today. Seriously, Breazeale looks like Harold Johnson compared to that guy. Spilka actually looks great.

Wilder does not know how to fight. Period. Dangerous but lacking most all boxing basics. You trumpeting him as a great heavyweight or believing he beats ATG opponents just shows your ******ity. In fact your ******ity oozes from your every post. Sad. Study up.

And yet, he never got dropped by anyone as bad as Lyle. Never got stopped by a Jimmy Young type. Never needed smelling salts to survive a Henry Cooper.

You keep talking about how unskilled he was, but seem ignorant of the fact that you're defending dudes who weren't very skilled themselves.

If you actually Boxed, you'd know that training has improved. But you never have. So you keep saying ****** sh.it and have to be corrected.

[billeau2]

Dude, I am sorry if I am too rough on you. And if you really do have some mental issues, I don't want to pick on you. I really don't think it's right to make fun of people for stuff they can't actually help. But you can control how you RESPOND to it. Some of your crazy ranting might just be you talking out of your ass, some might be caused by a disorder. But I can't know if you don't tell me.

You aren't a bad guy, but sometimes you make crazy claims and then erupt when confronted. Wlad, Vitali, Wilder, Joshua, Wallin, Fury... these guys are monsters. They're either very skilled or very dangerous - some both. We saw what happened when Patterson, Quarry and Foster moved up to fight Frazier and Ali... what caveat to the Laws of Physics ensures 70's Era Heavyweights don't suffer the same fate?

If that's not enough, look at how guys like Cooney, or even Lyle and Wepner, could get themselves into tittle fights just by being big and dangerous. The same applied then, but doesn't apply now - when it's even more con****uous, and fighters get more individualized attention!?!?!?

Seriously, you really come across as crazy at times. I don't mean to hurt your feelings. But i am not going to betray the truth just because someone is overly sensitive. Ithink I made that clear the day I arrived.

Rusty... Just going through the templates spewing weak inanities will get you nowhere... Better to put real effort into one... So whats it going to be? an attempt to invalidate? But put some effort into it. You make this too easy for me.

You haven't a clue how the laws of physics apply to bigger men in the ring...there is not even a clear indicator that size helps much... Know how I know this? we don't have enough data yet to confirm any conclusion of this sort... Only blowhards speculate in either direction (to be fair), on the issue of size.

Here is what we do know: On average fighters in the past had more trainers around, more time spent in the game, starting earlier, etc. They could do more things in the ring, this is evident with tape. It does not always show so well with the older fighters because most people do not know what they are looking at, and there is not a lot of tape... yet we do know that fighters that came out of this era, men like Tunney, did very well.

We also know that for the last ten years or so, champions have come in all sizes. This trend may well last... I am open minded. Lets have this conversation ten years later... will we still see smaller heavyweights around? Time will tell.

There have always been Big and dangerous fighters Rusty... Nothing new. There have also been big champions, nothing new. You need to be patient and look instead of having an opinion and s hitting on everyone else who does not see your twisted digressions.

Lol. The day I let a blowhard from Jersey, the mental state, hurt my feelings I will not only tell you, I will give you a firearm with an extra bullet in case you miss my skull, point blank, the first attempt...which could happen with a Jersey tard... Just saying.

Grown ups tend to wait and look at things carefully before they go off creating a carbon dioxide problem with their bloatations. Get my drift?

[HOUDINI563]

Who did Jimmy Young Ko again?

You do realize almost everything you wrote is diametrically opposite of what every knowledgeable of boxing and it’s history believes. It actually sounds as if you are making things up.

I’ve owned most of Louis’s filmed bouts since 1972. You?

[QueensburyRules]

But we have no way of knowing how life turns out for Wills if he gets his shot. That's not to say that Langford or others didn't have it bad. It isn't a competition. lol.

But I disagree that Rickard was the only one who could make this fight. There were certainly other promoters willing and able.

- -No shortage of promoters trying to make the fight a big Duh for U.

The shortage is in U ADD Noggin where states were forbidding racial fights and if A dummy like U wanted to watch Jeffries/Johnson or Johnson/Willard fight film they had to take a slow boat to Europe or Cuba.

Why U think Johnson/Flynn end up in Fleabitten, NMexico.

Why U still need U steak puréed and spoon fed?

Stoopid?

Still working on U potty training?

Both?

[travestyny]

- -No shortage of promoters trying to make the fight a big Duh for U.

The shortage is in U ADD Noggin where states were forbidding racial fights and if A dummy like U wanted to watch Jeffries/Johnson or Johnson/Willard fight film they had to take a slow boat to Europe or Cuba.

Why U think Johnson/Flynn end up in Fleabitten, NMexico.

Why U still need U steak puréed and spoon fed?

Stoopid?

Still working on U potty training?

Both?

Well we know why Dempsey ran away from New York and Chicago, who were both willing to have this fight, right?


And what of those Chicago promoters willing to put on the fight, along with other promoters. Here's an example of another promoter willing and able.

The Chicago Whip -- January 22, 1922
Wills and Dempsey

The method Dempsey is employing to dodge the issue of meeting Wills is simply ludicrous, when he persists in saying that the public does not want such a match. Do you think for a moment that W. A. Brady, a man who has had years of study of handling the public, would attempt to stage such a match where he not convinced of its popular demand? If so, you have another thought coming, for Brady is no novice at the boxing game, and when he speaks, it is with force.

Turns out, Mr. Brady is yet another who has added to the "historical record" that Dempsey was ducking Wills.

Lake County Times -- March 18th, 1922

Go take your meds, pops

[QueensburyRules]

Well we know why Dempsey ran away from New York and Chicago, who were both willing to have this fight, right?


And what of those Chicago promoters willing to put on the fight, along with other promoters. Here's an example of another promoter willing and able.



Turns out, Mr. Brady is yet another who has added to the "historical record" that Dempsey was ducking Wills.

Lake County Times -- March 18th, 1922

Go take your meds, pops

- -Turns out Tex the only guy with the gravitas and political pull to make the fight, and in the beginning he was against putting in wasted time and $ like the $250K he spent building a 90K stadium in Jersey for Carpentier.

When he had the pull, he placed Wills as top contender in Ring for an eliminator, perhaps the first ever in boxing.

Why Harry refuse to fight Tunney to get to Dempsey?

He be a ducker per Teensy illogic!!!

[travestyny]

- -Turns out Tex the only guy with the gravitas and political pull to make the fight, and in the beginning he was against putting in wasted time and $ like the $250K he spent building a 90K stadium in Jersey for Carpentier.

When he had the pull, he placed Wills as top contender in Ring for an eliminator, perhaps the first ever in boxing.

Why Harry refuse to fight Tunney to get to Dempsey?

He be a ducker per Teensy illogic!!!

I'm not sure that he refused to fight Tunney, but what I know is that he was owed his championship fight. You don't step aside voluntarily after waiting YEARS as the #1 contender, dumbo.


Too bad Dempsey broke that contract to fight him. You can't blame Rickard for that.

Now go take your meds and go to sleep. You bore me.