Were Patterson and Ingo the worst heavyweight champs ever ?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Charles Martin is the worst heavyweight champion of all time.

Besides him, Floyd and Ingo are far from the worst.

What about Greg Page and Tony Tucker and Bruce Seldon? Those guys were all very ordinary and were lucky to ever get a strap.

[Rusty Tromboni]

In my opinion Cormier cut an excessive amount of weight.

And whether the heavyweight Cormier can beat Jon Jones is a very debatable question.

Yeah. That looks to be what happened.

I doubt Jones could handle the Heavyweight version of Cormier. Probably Jones would be a lot stronger, too. I am not sure how decisive that will be, though.
Probably Cormier starches him. His punches carry a lot more mustard at Heavyweight.

When Cormier first arrived we were all complaining that he needed to get his ass into shape to get into the division where he really belonged, but his last three fights were his three best performances.

Jones, BTW, is a great example of a guy who can make Light Heavyweight, and whose style doesn't require a lot of energy. It was genius move: He decided to cut weight to escape fighting stronger men at Heavyweight, when everyone else (even middleweights) was still bulking up to try to make Heavyweight.

[john l]

Of all the heavyweight champs they impress me the very least. The glass chinned brawler and the stick and move boxer with a 72 inch reach, neither of them seem like they would have been champions in another era.

Patterson was no where near the worst, he was small but still a decent champ. Not top 10 or nothing, but much better then Carnera or Willard and a couple others. I agree about Ingo, he is deff on the list. Im assuming you just mean REAL champs otherwise you can add a lot more behind Patterson.

[john l]

Charles Martin is the worst heavyweight champion of all time.

Besides him, Floyd and Ingo are far from the worst.

What about Greg Page and Tony Tucker and Bruce Seldon? Those guys were all very ordinary and were lucky to ever get a strap.

You made very good choices, but im assuming he means REAL champs. Otherwise yea he is way off.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

You made very good choices, but im assuming he means REAL champs. Otherwise yea he is way off.

Oh, like unified champs before the alphabet soup. Yeah, but even then, I don't know. Primo Carnera was terrible. Jack Sharkey was no prize. But yeah. You may be right. It does make more sense that way.

[john l]

Oh, like unified champs before the alphabet soup. Yeah, but even then, I don't know. Primo Carnera was terrible. Jack Sharkey was no prize. But yeah. You may be right. It does make more sense that way.

Yea I agree even just counting REAL champs even ones from today who have unified there are a few worse then Patterson. I would also say Carnera and Willard and a couple others were worse. Patterson was small and chinny, but he could fight and he gave Ali a decent fight in the 1st one I think.

[QueensburyRules]

Patterson was no where near the worst, he was small but still a decent champ. Not top 10 or nothing, but much better then Carnera or Willard and a couple others. I agree about Ingo, he is deff on the list. Im assuming you just mean REAL champs otherwise you can add a lot more behind Patterson.

- -Big Primo and Jess ko Floyd.

Floyd one the the most honorable men in boxing, but his run as champ very weak. He lacked the chin to be truly great.

[john l]

- -Big Primo and Jess ko Floyd.

Floyd one the the most honorable men in boxing, but his run as champ very weak. He lacked the chin to be truly great.

Never said he was great by any means, just not the worst. I totally disagree about " De Preme" or Willard beating Patterson. Patterson was small and chinny, but he was fast and could box and even was a decent puncher. Also fought in the 56 Olympics and had a BIG heart(getting up from 7 KDs proves that). Would also rate him ahead of Marvin Hart and maybe even Sharkey. Just asking what makes you think the two you named could beat Patterson, not trying to crap on your opinion just curios.

[Dempsey19]

Never said he was great by any means, just not the worst. I totally disagree about " De Preme" or Willard beating Patterson. Patterson was small and chinny, but he was fast and could box and even was a decent puncher. Also fought in the 56 Olympics and had a BIG heart(getting up from 7 KDs proves that). Would also rate him ahead of Marvin Hart and maybe even Sharkey. Just asking what makes you think the two you named could beat Patterson, not trying to crap on your opinion just curios.

Patterson could definitely upset a Sharkey who hadn’t trained properly. But a Prime Sharkey ? I don’t see it happening. Apart from the long arms, Sharkey was very physically similiar to Liston. Maybe a few pounds lighter but not hugely. He was a strong, powerful man. Physically dominated a Patterson archetype in Loughran (and unlike Patterson, Loughran had no trouble taking on big heavyweights like the 6’2” 210 pound Schaaf and nearly 6’3” ATG James Braddock). Had the strength to go toe to toe with Dempsey (albeit an old one). He hammered Wills from pillar to post. Beat 6’3” Godfrey. Beat nearly 6’4” Scott via brutal ForemanFrazier-esque KO. Beat nearly 6’6” 270 pound Carnera. Was beating taller than Liston Schmeling who arguably has the best win in boxing history until the DQ. And proceeded to beat him in a rematch (albeit which may have been a robbery).

An enormous puncher like Willard would be a nightmare for Patterson’s chin and he also had a very nice jab which Patterson has no hope of ever getting inside of.

When he steps into the ring against the gigantic Carnera, I see Patterson getting intimidated and freezing like he did against Liston who is almost puny in comparison to Carnera.

[QueensburyRules]

Never said he was great by any means, just not the worst. I totally disagree about " De Preme" or Willard beating Patterson. Patterson was small and chinny, but he was fast and could box and even was a decent puncher. Also fought in the 56 Olympics and had a BIG heart(getting up from 7 KDs proves that). Would also rate him ahead of Marvin Hart and maybe even Sharkey. Just asking what makes you think the two you named could beat Patterson, not trying to crap on your opinion just curios.

- -Anyone could beat Hart save Jack Johnson and obviously Floyd better than Sharkey, but best to best Sharkey had size and talent enough to beat Floyd.

Primo has the best record of all his HOF peers that he beat and he KOed Sharkey cold. Certainly compromising eras with a 20 rd fight in 6oz gloves, Jess rt could ice floyd easy as could Primo and both killed men in the ring. Floyd was never elusive, and uphill combos leave him exposed.

Buster Mathis also supersized didn't have the pop those did, but he was a younger peer of Floyd under Cus also and in shape before his retirement and prediabetic comeback, same bad result for Floyd.

Same thing with 200lb Cruisers. Floyd would cleaned up those early 190 Cruisers and koed Qawi who was the best of the bunch til Field came along.

In short, size matters when coupled to decent talent.