Were Patterson and Ingo the worst heavyweight champs ever ?

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- -With 4-5 belts, gonna have a plethora of weak champ, but now guys like the KBros can't be ducked as they were before and that emaciated little Filipino dwarf got his chance to fully flower, so multi belts have been a good development professionally, but lack off good American amas have reduced American pros to a pittance these days.

What are you even blathering about? America currently has more world champions than any other country.

If you're going to go on a rant at least try to stick to the facts. Instead of trying to pass off your own personal agenda as the truth.

[MaxT]

- -You falling into typical myopic body stereotyping.

Ibrag not a "cut" body type at 10% body fat, but he had all those assets you mentioned, enough for Wlad to holster his right lest he get countered, a testament to his best left hand in the history of boxing.

It's not about body steriotioping, it's about facts.

Klitchko at 108 kg was cut to 7-10% fat.

Ibragimov was somewhat chubby at 99 kilograms (but in much better than against Austin).

Klitcko have a decent left, but it was not his boxing that keeping Sultan away - that was his power. Wlad have Cooney type power and Sultan can be easyly hurt. So, Ibragimov deside not to pushing action in order to avoid KO loss. He gave up.

[MaxT]

America currently has more world champions than any other country.

US still is center of professional boxing. More promouters, more fightnight, more professional gyms than anywere.

More money and oportunities = more champions.

But qallity significantly decreased, expecially in higher weight classes.

[MaxT]

- -You falling into typical
Wlad dominated such the Roy Jones was screaming to stop the fight. The few rights Wlad landed dropped Brewster 2x, but the 2nd disallowed because Brewster tackled Wlad around the legs on the way down, typical of hometown favoritism.

The fight had been a jabbing walk in the park for Wlad as Manny debuted his new grab and manhandle any close encounters, but all of a sudden Wlad could barely hold his hands up much less generate an offense, so Brewster let's loose but still can't quite catch up to the retreating Wlad who is bouncing off the ropes as the bell sounds to fall flat on his face too weak to even move, a clear sign of a drugging by some kinda date **** drug the illicit drug market churns out yearly.

Be clear, Manny and Vitali backed me on this later as they pondered his mysterious collapse.

Anyway, Brewster keep pucshing the action no matter what untill somethin breaks within Wlad. You cat't do thouse thing without heart ant determination.
I don't know what happens, but it it happens.
I don't buy poisoning story. More likely it was some mishap due tu Klitchko preparations. Klichkos alwas was a fan of performance enhansing substances.

[MaxT]

I’m actually saying the opposite.

So, do you think that 200 lb limit is nessesary?

My point: its to high, 190 lb was better.

We have to few fighters to compete at 200+ limit, ang under present weightin rules anydody who weight 220-225 lb (like Kudriashov) can fight in cruiserweight on sheer power alone.

In russian amateurs almost all heaviweight are chubby/fat guys up to 115-120 kg (tipicaly not tall - 180-190 cm) and almost all decent boxers are lighter than 95-100 kilos (so they cut to cruiser).

[Dempsey19]

Klitchko at 108 kg was cut to 7-10% fat.

Probably more like 12-15

I’d estimate Cunningham to be about 7-10 and he looked a lot leaner than Wlad.

[MaxT]

Probably more like 12-15

I’d estimate Cunningham to be about 7-10 and he looked a lot leaner than Wlad.

12-15 to high. Anyway, Ibragimov was fatter at much lower weight.

And do not forger - Klitchko is white. You can't expect white guy to look as ripped as black without heavy tanning.

Can you answer my question (#67 in this thread)?

[Dempsey19]

12-15 to high. Anyway, Ibragimov was fatter at much lower weight.

And do not forger - Klitchko is white. You can't expect white guy to look as ripped as black without heavy tanning.

Can you answer my question (#67 in this thread)?

Even taking tanning into account he still looks significantly leaner.

Every fellow with a faint 6 pack saying he has sub-10% body fat has distorted our perception- I’ve read people call Arreola 20% body fat when he is probably around 35% body fat.

Read this- https://www.mensjournal.com/health-f...-look-men/5-8/


HBO used to give out arm length measurements until a few years ago.

[MaxT]

I’ve read people call Arreola 20% body fat when he is probably around 35% body fat.

Agreed.
What is Andy Ruiz fat percentage? I say 35 at least.

[MaxT]

HBO used to give out arm length measurements until a few years ago.

It's extreemely innacurate, even more so than reach.

How do you measire it?

"From the armpit to the end of the fist" is too broad defenition.