Henry armstrong wasn't invincible

[Rusty Tromboni]

Man look who came on the forum and started spazzing. You might not consider him the p4p best, but the general acclimation is that he is and watching him fight you can see why. The way Harry is described you have to see to believe it, the man doesn't even have real power it's all pressure and overwhelming his opponents, but instead of being real about the matter that film would give people a better idea of him now he's this unstoppable machine despite his L's he took. Ok Rusty I'm glad you have a hard on for harry, but damn man and then you go for Ali, name one heavyweight to beat ali at his very best. His athletic ability was unmatched on his best day and on his worst he was still too much to handle speed and boxing skills, but I guess you see things mythical things that nobody else does. You can hate all you want rusty, but at the end of the day footage would help your case more than mines. I could never feed into some hype from a dude born over 100 years ago beating anyone in today's world with his style that we've never seen him perform, but If I had to put money on it his style is also used by shawn porter and Joe Calzaghe and used in the past by Aaron Pryor. At his best Robinson performed greater than all welterweights right now, but I'll leave you to keep Harry in your mouth mane, but believe me it's not good for you. Curse me all you want hype man.

Serious question for you, Extra Foam, have you ever Boxed? Do you even know what you're talking about? Like have you ever hit the pads? Sparred?

I don;t care what other people think. I care about the truth. Armstrong hit his ceiling against Ambers and Zivic. Very fine fighters, but neither is Roberto Duran. It's pretty obvious watching Saddler and Williams that they'd both be HELL for Armstrong.

Ali is one of the best, but his losses to Frazier and Norton show that even his best wasn't always good enough. I put him on par w/ Lewis and Louis. Just a hair above Holmes. And well beneath Fury.

Don't get me wrong, Extra Foam. I appreciate that you care. But being a casual w/ a strong opinion and no facts makes you a casual, none the less.

[QueensburyRules]

yeah, the guy who hadfits w/ Two Ton Toney, and was takentothe limit by Conn. Whose best win was Max Baer? Schmeling?

Louis is probably my #2 Hw. But you're being pedantic.

- -Sounds more like your bowels in an uproar.

Your #1 had fits with little Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper who knocked him down easily and then booed when Doug Jones whooped him before being robbed by judges greasing his skids for a Liston title shot.

There he almost got the fight canceled when lapsed int hysteria and couldn't pass the physical against a fighter who had been training on whiskey in anticipation of an easy 1st rd KO.

And all that just for starters. You never did say what grade your in.

[Quaccey]

Serious question for you, Extra Foam, have you ever Boxed? Do you even know what you're talking about? Like have you ever hit the pads? Sparred?

I don;t care what other people think. I care about the truth. Armstrong hit his ceiling against Ambers and Zivic. Very fine fighters, but neither is Roberto Duran. It's pretty obvious watching Saddler and Williams that they'd both be HELL for Armstrong.

Ali is one of the best, but his losses to Frazier and Norton show that even his best wasn't always good enough. I put him on par w/ Lewis and Louis. Just a hair above Holmes. And well beneath Fury.

Don't get me wrong, Extra Foam. I appreciate that you care. But being a casual w/ a strong opinion and no facts makes you a casual, none the less.

I've been in several gyms in my life you do realize you're the only one talking about Armstrong? You called me out over Greb remember rusty? That was our conversation piece yes Armstrong, but you keep going back to Armstrong he was a good little man about it. These guys are generations too old to compete and fury is pretty much ali right now, but his chin doesn't match on ali worst night. I don't remember ali ever getting iced cold in any fight, so he's levels above Lewis. Now rusty my question for you how many professional fights have you had? How many amateur fights? If you tell me just sparring well sparring isn't something that really gauges anything, you can get good work in sparring and you easily dominate your opponent, or beast the sparring partner and get bested in the ring.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I've been in several gyms in my life you do realize you're the only one talking about Armstrong? You called me out over Greb remember rusty? That was our conversation piece yes Armstrong, but you keep going back to Armstrong he was a good little man about it. These guys are generations too old to compete and fury is pretty much ali right now, but his chin doesn't match on ali worst night. I don't remember ali ever getting iced cold in any fight, so he's levels above Lewis. Now rusty my question for you how many professional fights have you had? How many amateur fights? If you tell me just sparring well sparring isn't something that really gauges anything, you can get good work in sparring and you easily dominate your opponent, or beast the sparring partner and get bested in the ring.

Fury took a harder punch than Ali ever did TWICE. And he got up both times to win the rest of the round. There's no way you can compare anyone that Ali fought to Wilder. If Frazier and Shavers can deck Ali, it's not a bad bet that Wilder lays him out. Fury comeback eclipses Ali's. Only an idiot would object to that.

And remember, Fury didn't resort to some gimmick like "rope a dope", or get forced into slug fests he didn't want. Fury controlled 10 out of 12 rounds that night.

[Rusty Tromboni]

- -Sounds more like your bowels in an uproar.

Your #1 had fits with little Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper who knocked him down easily and then booed when Doug Jones whooped him before being robbed by judges greasing his skids for a Liston title shot.

There he almost got the fight canceled when lapsed int hysteria and couldn't pass the physical against a fighter who had been training on whiskey in anticipation of an easy 1st rd KO.

And all that just for starters. You never did say what grade your in.

Yes, outside of his prime he had shortcomings. Too bad for you we're talking both men at their best.

If you want to look at Louis' worst, there's nothing Ali suffered as pathetic and inexcusable as Schmeling I, and the Marciano match. How many Light Heavyweights took Ali's belt from him?

[Quaccey]

Fury took a harder punch than Ali ever did TWICE. And he got up both times to win the rest of the round. There's no way you can compare anyone that Ali fought to Wilder. If Frazier and Shavers can deck Ali, it's not a bad bet that Wilder lays him out. Fury comeback eclipses Ali's. Only an idiot would object to that.

And remember, Fury didn't resort to some gimmick like "rope a dope", or get forced into slug fests he didn't want. Fury controlled 10 out of 12 rounds that night.

Wilder is NO George Foreman. His power is greater overall he's the the lone reason Ali never got a top notch over a top guy. Earnie ain't top at all. Fury has been down against people half his height and much smaller in weight, so don't even begin to compare chins. When fury takes the power of foreman shavers or hell even Holmes then get back to me cause Cunningham had him down. Rusty come on now you were doing so good earlier now you're just reaching and right now you're drowning thinking wilder is anything close to Foreman remember big George was a fast starter and once his punch connects generally it's done with. Wilder has speed and power yes he does, but have you seen foreman hit the heavy bag? He put holes in it and they always had to be replaced. Shame on you Rusty

[Quaccey]

Fury took a harder punch than Ali ever did TWICE. And he got up both times to win the rest of the round. There's no way you can compare anyone that Ali fought to Wilder. If Frazier and Shavers can deck Ali, it's not a bad bet that Wilder lays him out. Fury comeback eclipses Ali's. Only an idiot would object to that.

And remember, Fury didn't resort to some gimmick like "rope a dope", or get forced into slug fests he didn't want. Fury controlled 10 out of 12 rounds that night.

Also rusty sitting down in a jail cell not being able to properly train for as long as Ali sat down you wouldn't half the man you once were so don't try and make me think getting off drugs and mental issues are worse off. Aaron Pryor was on drugs and finished his career too so was Whitaker and calzaghe admitted to *******. Mike Tyson got out of prison was done at the elite level, so was Ali he just had smarts to overcome the odds

[sleazyfellow]

Fury has taken a harder punch than Ali? Wtf is this, the twilight zone?

As for Armstrong, he is a legend, and to disparage a legend of the sport just shows what you know. Was he a great boxer? No, he was a brawler type and took several clean shots to his face and that's why they always say, styles like his, Frazier's or Dempsey's are always short lived careers because of the punishment they take. Him, Robinson and pep are top 3 p4p on all time list to this day and for good reason. Quit trying to be different for the sake of being different.

[QueensburyRules]

Yes, outside of his prime he had shortcomings. Too bad for you we're talking both men at their best.

If you want to look at Louis' worst, there's nothing Ali suffered as pathetic and inexcusable as Schmeling I, and the Marciano match. How many Light Heavyweights took Ali's belt from him?

- -Yeah, repeating 8th grade again, eh?

The comeback Louis that fought Rocky was on a 13 fight in 13 month schedule that included a competitive loss to Charles in his first fight, a win over HOFer, another over the white heavy champ whom the BBbc recognized as the heavy champ equivalent to an abc belt today, and to a still raw Rocky who'd just crashed the top ten.

Both of them coulda KOed the two Leon's Ali fought and decisioned the baby Berbick Ali fought and I'd give them 50/50 against fat Lar who was still slim then whom many think got whooped by a fading Norton and had otherwise not beat any prime contender.

The still developing Louis fought former champs Sharkey, Primo, Baer, and Schmeling in short order, a fight schedule of development that dwarfs that of Ali and any other heavy until Tyson swept out the fat Lar era.

9th grade beckons for you. The girls are prettier but take care of bullies as they'll suffer no dimwit leading with his face.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Wilder is NO George Foreman. His power is greater overall he's the the lone reason Ali never got a top notch over a top guy. Earnie ain't top at all. Fury has been down against people half his height and much smaller in weight, so don't even begin to compare chins. When fury takes the power of foreman shavers or hell even Holmes then get back to me cause Cunningham had him down. Rusty come on now you were doing so good earlier now you're just reaching and right now you're drowning thinking wilder is anything close to Foreman remember big George was a fast starter and once his punch connects generally it's done with. Wilder has speed and power yes he does, but have you seen foreman hit the heavy bag? He put holes in it and they always had to be replaced. Shame on you Rusty

You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

I would suggest you watch the fighters you're discussing so you don't expose yourself as a charlatan, Extra Foam.

How did Cunningham deck Fury? (Hint: Fury was off balance and coming forward; bad technique, not a shoddy chin). Cunningham is clearly as big as virtually every man Ali fought during the 70's. Fury still had no trouble getting off the deck and finishing the fight.

Foreman got rope-a-doped by Ali. He went life and death w/ Lyle. He lost to Jimmy Young. He was losing badly to Moorer. He clearly struggled w/ boxers less capable than Fury. Among then, only Ali would I pick as a favorite to beat Wilder, or even remain competitive.

It's pretty clear that Foreman was gifted physically, but very limited. Even Gil Clancy couldn't save him. Some of it might have been mental, too - another problem Wilder doesn't have. The physical talents that carried his career were made possible by the disparity in size he enjoyed over his opponents....

You could probably say the same about Wilder. Even at only 112 pounds, he's a monster. In fact, he's even bigger than Foreman. Oh, and he picks his shots better and doesn't blow his load in the opening rounds. Tactically, he's far superior.

Again, Ali can't rope-a-dope Wilder. And he can't hope to guy it out like he did against Shavers and Frazier. Or simply slip away like his did against Liston. Ali's faster than Fury, and far more competent offensively. But he's way smaller, and a far inferior pure-boxer.