Henry armstrong wasn't invincible

[ron davis]

Davey Day gave him the beating of his life. Armstrong
and Amber's would not give him a re-match. Complete narrative found on E bay search "Davey day exhibit card". Other pic and info listed. Check it out.

[GhostofDempsey]

No fighter is invincible. But Henry accomplished some impressive wins over ATGs while toggling between three weight classes. Ambers, Jenkins, Angott, Zivic, Garcia, and more. There is no one on his level today.

[BillyBoxing]

Davey Day gave him the beating of his life. Armstrong
and Amber's would not give him a re-match. Complete narrative found on E bay search "Davey day exhibit card". Other pic and info listed. Check it out.

Zivic had Henry's number more than anybody else.

Still, that's what happens when you takes risks and fight the best..

Too many undefeated fighters, X champions per division nowadays,

[Quaccey]

Davey Day gave him the beating of his life. Armstrong
and Amber's would not give him a re-match. Complete narrative found on E bay search "Davey day exhibit card". Other pic and info listed. Check it out.

Neither was Harry Greb and u see the praise he gets and with no tape either, so indeed he isn't, but like the man said he accomplished a lot without being fast tracked like today's fighters.

[QueensburyRules]

Davey Day gave him the beating of his life. Armstrong
and Amber's would not give him a re-match. Complete narrative found on E bay search "Davey day exhibit card". Other pic and info listed. Check it out.

- -Henry bested on many occasions and water wet, sky blue , and sissies cry out, "Boohoohoo."

[Rusty Tromboni]

Neither was Harry Greb and u see the praise he gets and with no tape either, so indeed he isn't, but like the man said he accomplished a lot without being fast tracked like today's fighters.

Greb fought a completely different calibre fighter than Armstrong, and didn't have a padded record. Unlike Armstrong, he really was the close to being considered the best across 3 divisions.


Greb beats Loughran and tunney (of whom we do have footage), and Armstrong loses to Zivic, but you feel comfortable making the comparison!?!?!?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Yeah, Armstrong is grotesquely overrated. He's sort of a parlor-game prop. Dropping his name in discussions on forums two decades ago got you lots of street cred. he was sort of the most forgotten of the greatest. But he went somewhat forgotten for good reason.

He wasn't really that special at Fw. And his Ww title reign is enough of a sham to make Mayweather blush. He's definitely one of the absolute finest Lightweights ever, but he's clearly very much open to uppercuts. Anyone fearless enough to exploit that opening might do very well against him. And considering the great legends of that division, there are several.

Listen, I'm not a revisionist who writes him off. But you'll see people talk like he was a man the same size as Willie Pep or Sal Sanchez toppling men the same size as Ray Robinson or Tommy Hearns. That's just not true.

I favor Duran and Williams against him. I think Ortiz, Whitaker, McLarnin, Arguello and Mayweather all have a good chance of upsetting him. Benny Leonard is a bit of a question mark as we lack the necessary footage to make a clear determination about that one. But would any be surprised if it turned out he was better than Hank, too?

[Quaccey]

Please link me to Greb fighting. Need proof of him in action

[Quaccey]

Greb fought a completely different calibre fighter than Armstrong, and didn't have a padded record. Unlike Armstrong, he really was the close to being considered the best across 3 divisions.


Greb beats Loughran and tunney (of whom we do have footage), and Armstrong loses to Zivic, but you feel comfortable making the comparison!?!?!?

Easily. Send me a link to this fight

[billeau2]

Yeah, Armstrong is grotesquely overrated. He's sort of a parlor-game prop. Dropping his name in discussions on forums two decades ago got you lots of street cred. he was sort of the most forgotten of the greatest. But he went somewhat forgotten for good reason.

He wasn't really that special at Fw. And his Ww title reign is enough of a sham to make Mayweather blush. He's definitely one of the absolute finest Lightweights ever, but he's clearly very much open to uppercuts. Anyone fearless enough to exploit that opening might do very well against him. And considering the great legends of that division, there are several.

Listen, I'm not a revisionist who writes him off. But you'll see people talk like he was a man the same size as Willie Pep or Sal Sanchez toppling men the same size as Ray Robinson or Tommy Hearns. That's just not true.

I favor Duran and Williams against him. I think Ortiz, Whitaker, McLarnin, Arguello and Mayweather all have a good chance of upsetting him. Benny Leonard is a bit of a question mark as we lack the necessary footage to make a clear determination about that one. But would any be surprised if it turned out he was better than Hank, too?

We can disagree about how great Armstrong was, but as far as his pedigree, is a different issue entirely. I would also argue that part of what makes him so intreging is his Pedigree.

From Figgs time when methods were redacted, and fencing techniques valued for the skills necessary in using the fists in similar fashion as the blades, there was an elegance to even the most tactless contests. Often the ungainly would take the prize home... And we hear of men like Joe Choyinksy, and his protege Jack Jackson, Jem Mace, etc...men who brought us defined technical means. When Gene Tunney fights Dempsey it shows among other things, that the old ways, emphasizing traps, footwork at a distance, timing, and many ways of parrying was able to exist alongside the new classical genre of the puncher.

And so when we look at boxing today we see both methods if we look carefully. A fighter like Tyson, who learned the art of punching from Dempsey among others, came along a hop skip and a jump from men like Ali, who was a throwback to where the actual punch was a mere afterthought, the final coupe de Grace in a link of movement, shifts and positioning skills. Watch Johnson fight for an example of this.... BUT There was in fact another way!!!

Hidden in darkness even in the days of the sword, like boxing and fencing, one had the emergence of a weapon used for land piracy, killing and little else. This weapon emerged in Medieval European times and was called the B@st@rd Sword....Unlike the beauty and frivolty of the rapiers, long Italian, elegant and sharp...the B@st@rd was squat, ugly with a handle practically the length of the blade. The weapon was made to close distance and shred a man and little else. This weapon created a crisis in Europe as it was killing off the duelists with all their elegant, but empty techniques.

Hank Armstrong was the pedigree of the B@st@rd Sword. Where figg was a fencer, Hank was simply out to hit a man, and often! Hank depended upon pure relentless pressure and continual punching. But there was a method to his pressure: for example, he moved his head off center when coming forwards to deal with the uppercut, he also knew how to move with punches to gain the position from which to launch his own uncomprimised assault.

Hank never looked beautiful like the sugar man, but there are those that thought he was perhaps, the ungainly better of the two men, at least at light weight. And when we talk of these lines, these approaches, where do we see Hank's methods? Well, among them would be Marciano. Like Armstrong, Marciano looked like a dust devil when there was a clear method to how Goldman taught marciano how to operate. Both Hank and the rock depended on being fit as a major way to launch an attack on the opponent and being able to use the weight in such a way that the opponent cannot simply step off line from an attack. With Armstrong particularly his weight distribution is such that it is the way a grappler avoids a take down today, head forwards weight way past legs.

Hank Armstrong best exemplifies Musashi, who would often depend on offense for defense and to mitigate some with superior technical abilities. he was in my opinion a hell of a fighter, though he did not look any more elegant than the bastard sword doing its work.