Wlad–Chagaev & the lineal HW title

[QueensburyRules]

--- You were too busy impressing yerself to ever impress me.

Lineal title, eh?

Menial tinfoil title of looneytune claimants after Jeff retired undefeated unless you believe in resurrection.

[HOUDINI563]

Hart and Root as the leading contenders fought after Jeffries retired the winner then becoming the next lineal champion. The falsehood in your own mind is that to be the lineal champion one must always beat the lineal champion. This is true only until the lineal champion retires. Blame your own ignorance.

[QueensburyRules]

--- Hart & Root turned sarsaparilla into a rootbeer empire did they?

Well, OK then!

[billeau2]

Unfortunately for you I know more about the subject at hand than you.

So you say, so you say. To you if something is official it is a fact. What an idiot.

[billeau2]

I don’t subscribe to any source that does not use fact based evidence to reach conclusions. I don’t subscribe to any source who purposely skirts the facts in order to provide a false reality. I don’t subscribe to any source that use “entertainment” based media such as “coast to coast” and “Alex Jones” as a way to reach a base of individuals that will buy their “story”. Fanciful storylines don’t impress me. They also should not impress you.

So if something is government sanctioned it is "official" and a fact? but any other interpretation of events is fanciful?

[HOUDINI563]

Certainly not “Alex Jones” or “Coast to coast”. That is for sure. Appearances on programs such as these should be all you need to know. All an educated person needs to know.

[billeau2]

Certainly not “Alex Jones” or “Coast to coast”. That is for sure. Appearances on programs such as these should be all you need to know. All an educated person needs to know.

Coast to Coast is entertainment. And no matter what one thinks of Jones, censorship is not an answer. Lets not forget who called the election BTW, and if Jones and Stone were such insignificant rebel rousers why is Mueller going after them? One does not have to endorse every view held to by the likes of Jones to appreciate being receptive to information from all sources and not just the mainstream.

An interesting aside, want to know one of the few mags that has never been sued for Libel?







National Enquirer

[billeau2]

--- Hart & Root turned sarsaparilla into a rootbeer empire did they?

Well, OK then!

Good then it is settled, thank you for coming around. Took you a bit... The common error is to confuse what is contingent and what is causative regarding the lineal sir Queeny: Its ok a lot of people make the error.

Retirement is a contingency...something that can come into play under certain conditions, BUT is not a direct cause, nor a direct necessity.

So...what you NEED to have a lineal is a man who beats the best. The fans are as good an arbitrator and should be the arbitrator frankly...

[QueensburyRules]

--- I can go with the idea that a new lineal can be established, ie Wlad most recently, but Hart & Root ain't nothing but watered down sarsaparilla.

Therein is the rub, ie no cohesive rules or org to even enforce bad rules of what constitutes a lineal title.

[Anthony342]

Yes they do. And people are so naive about it. Does not really matter what Dulles presents though. This is to the best of my understanding about how the CIA works and worked on the Kennedy situation: Before RICO when it was destroyed, the mob was used as a kind of pizza delivery service to run drugs, guns and people...and There were the hit men.

Mob hitters, like Military special forces guys, were professionals with an interest in methods and networking...To this day special forces guys go get their own martial arts training, there never has been an "offical Seals/Rangers, etc combat instructor." I know cause over the years I have trained more than a few Special forces guys and it is similar with the Hitters. Each family has two lists: one that has soldgiers in the family who "hit" and a special list, of guys who are considered the best, and work outside the family. These guys were used in sensative situations, and for difficult hits, etc.

I mention this because the CIA was there for the hits to be carried out by the government and perhaps to represent the interests of some powerful groups in the government.But the CIA and the FBI really...was a joke compared to better operatives in both, the military and the personal contacts of the mob families, who wanted death to Kennedy. When Kennedy was killed the CIA was probably involved, but the actual decision on who and how was probably handled higher up. Hence Jack Ruby, a mob guy batting "clean up" before having to sweep his own damn guts up lol.

Dulles was a perfect man to grow the agency and whatever the predicessor was... he was a phoney, unethical chess piece, a little more than a pawn really. When Majestic, or Santo Trafficante wanted someone dead, they knew better than to rely on the CIA: A guy like Chester Wheeler Campbell, perhaps the best hitter ever to come out of the USA was called... Or, maybe there was a mob guy who was really good to set it up. I don't know if Oswald was the shooter, or if he had that type of pedigree. We would never know and that is the point...Look at how they manages to get Campbell for example, lol. Or look at someone like the Ice Man Kuklinsky, who was used when the mob in New YOrk wanted to really get the message across!!

Keep in mind that the only guy who could control Kuklinski was a psychopath with a penchant for killing that even scared the ice man...that would be Roy Demeo...

I always go where the research takes me and if you watch people today, if you study what happened and you put things together, sometimes the search leads to strange places shoulder roll: The Government had groups that had an interest in Cuba along with the mob, Traficante and Marcelo the Florida and New Orleans families, had the most juice and the ports between... Kennedy was going to screw that up... The people who had an interest in keeping things unknown kept that way...Kennedy was going to screw that up... The CIA and FBI have always been a laughing stock in many ways. Hoover's own sexuality made him a joke... and the CIA, well the real operatives where in Military Intelligence.

Interesting stuff. Ever see any of the true crime shows on cable? Reelz has a show called Gangsters about not only mobsters, but also all kinds of street gangs. The government disbanded a lot of them because of the RICO laws and over time, didn't become such a laughing stock. Nat Geo also had a good documentary called Inside The American Mob. Reelz also had bios on guys like Henry Hill and Joe Pistone, the real life Donny Brasco, who the mob still have a hit out on to this day. I have a feeling nobody is going to collect on that bounty, since he's pretty old now.