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[ShoulderRoll]

When looking at Kennedy and his death I have found that the issue of who did the hit has become so important. One of my favorite Crude sayings is William James on Roast Pork. He says "At the end of the day, if the barn burned down or you fired up the barbQ Roast pork is roast pork...

I think that trying to describe the hit has allowed many people to cast aspersions on people who look at the real issues...to call such people into question as we are familiar with...

Allen Dulles was like most CIA heads looked at like a common criminal by the higher ups. Not that long ago the CIA showed how they take care of their own... not far from where I live when they took the old director for a nice swim. Mueller, the CIA in general are hitters, and their entree into a situation would never give us a complete understanding of WHY?

So if Dulles ordered the hit, if the hit was done by two guys, by Oswald, etc it just does not matter and becomes a red herring in my opinion. The real question should be, whether one liked Jack, or not, Why was the last real president of this country killed? And what connection does it have to his brother's death.

Of course this is where many will try to pretend the killings are unrelated. I think the one thing that has come out over the years is that Kennedy intended on disclosure of a massive scale. That was not going to happen.

I suppose Allen Dulles can be called a red herring because he was ultimately not the highest rung on the ladder of the conspiracy.

But those at the top stay well hidden and it's difficult to name them or provide a lot of hard evidence against them.

Dulles is the highest authority figure for which we can reliably point out facts, such as his WWII history or his powerful Wall Street connections from his days as a lawyer for Sullivan and Cromwell.

The significance and implications of him having anything to do with the hit are monumental.

[billeau2]

I suppose Allen Dulles can be called a red herring because he was ultimately not the highest rung on the ladder of the conspiracy.

But those at the top stay well hidden and it's difficult to name them or provide a lot of hard evidence against them.

Dulles is the highest authority figure for which we can reliably point out facts, such as his WWII history or his powerful Wall Street connections from his days as a lawyer for Sullivan and Cromwell.

The significance and implications of him having anything to do with the hit are monumental.

Yes they do. And people are so naive about it. Does not really matter what Dulles presents though. This is to the best of my understanding about how the CIA works and worked on the Kennedy situation: Before RICO when it was destroyed, the mob was used as a kind of pizza delivery service to run drugs, guns and people...and There were the hit men.

Mob hitters, like Military special forces guys, were professionals with an interest in methods and networking...To this day special forces guys go get their own martial arts training, there never has been an "offical Seals/Rangers, etc combat instructor." I know cause over the years I have trained more than a few Special forces guys and it is similar with the Hitters. Each family has two lists: one that has soldgiers in the family who "hit" and a special list, of guys who are considered the best, and work outside the family. These guys were used in sensative situations, and for difficult hits, etc.

I mention this because the CIA was there for the hits to be carried out by the government and perhaps to represent the interests of some powerful groups in the government.But the CIA and the FBI really...was a joke compared to better operatives in both, the military and the personal contacts of the mob families, who wanted death to Kennedy. When Kennedy was killed the CIA was probably involved, but the actual decision on who and how was probably handled higher up. Hence Jack Ruby, a mob guy batting "clean up" before having to sweep his own damn guts up lol.

Dulles was a perfect man to grow the agency and whatever the predicessor was... he was a phoney, unethical chess piece, a little more than a pawn really. When Majestic, or Santo Trafficante wanted someone dead, they knew better than to rely on the CIA: A guy like Chester Wheeler Campbell, perhaps the best hitter ever to come out of the USA was called... Or, maybe there was a mob guy who was really good to set it up. I don't know if Oswald was the shooter, or if he had that type of pedigree. We would never know and that is the point...Look at how they manages to get Campbell for example, lol. Or look at someone like the Ice Man Kuklinsky, who was used when the mob in New YOrk wanted to really get the message across!!

Keep in mind that the only guy who could control Kuklinski was a psychopath with a penchant for killing that even scared the ice man...that would be Roy Demeo...

I always go where the research takes me and if you watch people today, if you study what happened and you put things together, sometimes the search leads to strange places shoulder roll: The Government had groups that had an interest in Cuba along with the mob, Traficante and Marcelo the Florida and New Orleans families, had the most juice and the ports between... Kennedy was going to screw that up... The people who had an interest in keeping things unknown kept that way...Kennedy was going to screw that up... The CIA and FBI have always been a laughing stock in many ways. Hoover's own sexuality made him a joke... and the CIA, well the real operatives where in Military Intelligence.

[HOUDINI563]

There have been two official investigations of the Kennedy assassination. BOTH found no evidence that would allow them to conclude the Cuban govt, the CIA, USSR, or Mafia we’re involved. The first investigation concluded that Oswald acted ALONE. The second investigation concluded THE SAME in terms that Oswald fired all the bullets that hit Kennedy and Governer Conelly. At the time audio evidence which was not available during the first investigation indicated another gunman fired one shot THAT MISSED. However in the years since that audio evidence had been further analyzed and DISCOUNTED. The conclusion today is it does not show that a second gunman fired a shot. That leaves two official investigations that pretty much jives with one another. OSWALD ACTED ALONE.

[travestyny]

There have been two official investigations of the Kennedy assassination. BOTH found no evidence that would allow them to conclude the Cuban govt, the CIA, USSR, or Mafia we’re involved. The first investigation concluded that Oswald acted ALONE. The second investigation concluded THE SAME in terms that Oswald fired all the bullets that hit Kennedy and Governer Conelly. At the time audio evidence which was not available during the first investigation indicated another gunman fired one shot THAT MISSED. However in the years since that audio evidence had been further analyzed and DISCOUNTED. The conclusion today is it does not show that a second gunman fired a shot. That leaves two official investigations that pretty much jives with one another. OSWALD ACTED ALONE.

Just out of curiosity, who carried out the investigations?

[HOUDINI563]

The conspiracy theorists believed the initial report was tainted. This was the beginning of the billion $ Kennedy assassination business. The magic bullet was the major “evidence” within most of these many books. Of course it ignored the positioning of both Kennedy and Connolly within the Presidential Limo. Considering the positioning the one bullet trajectory matches perfectly. The second investigation was initiated because of the public’s as well as our elected officials who felt something was amiss with the first investigation.

I watched the second investigation as it was broadcast live on TV. In the end the conclusion was there was another gunman who fired one shot and missed. Oswald fired all the shots that did any damage. The ONLY evidence that there was a second gunman came from acoustic recordings of the shots themselves. HOWEVER after the investigation further testing of the with advanced equipment revealed that the sounds which were thought to be from a second gunman were in actuality NOT.

SO two investigations the second completely broadcast live on tv for all to hear concluded the same bottom line.

Conspiracy theories are for the uneducated.

[travestyny]

The conspiracy theorists believed the initial report was tainted. This was the beginning of the billion $ Kennedy assassination business. The magic bullet was the major “evidence” within most of these many books. Of course it ignored the positioning of both Kennedy and Connolly within the Presidential Limo. Considering the positioning the one bullet trajectory matches perfectly. The second investigation was initiated because of the public’s as well as our elected officials who felt something was amiss with the first investigation.

I watched the second investigation as it was broadcast live on TV. In the end the conclusion was there was another gunman who fired one shot and missed. Oswald fired all the shots that did any damage. The ONLY evidence that there was a second gunman came from acoustic recordings of the shots themselves. HOWEVER after the investigation further testing of the with advanced equipment revealed that the sounds which were thought to be from a second gunman were in actuality NOT.

SO two investigations the second completely broadcast live on tv for all to hear concluded the same bottom line.

Conspiracy theories are for the uneducated.

I get what you're saying. I was just asking if you knew who conducted the two investigations.

[QueensburyRules]

--- The prevailing button down suits of the day whom Hoodunit purports to be a part of.

Like I say, from jrhigh forward I could easily squeeze off LH shots as any half way decent marksman could.

The prevailing question was who may have financed LH since he wasn't earning anything of note to support his family?

Just like MLK assassin had an easy shot, but who may have put up James Earl to do such a thing?

With JFK, we know he was on a pharmacy ****tail of drugs supposedly for his health, but perhaps surreptitious purpose that saw him recklessly engage the Bay of Pigs fiasco and Cuban missile crisis as well as PO the mafia and various government insiders.

Miss Marilyn also passed mysteriously as we know that backdrop. RFK seems to have been targeted by a genuine nutcase, but again he had also been POing the insider buttondowns.

At any rate, even the beeb admitted no original copy of Ali/Cooper 1 exists and that all existent copies have been spliced from various sources. We do have the testimony of 'Enery, Dundee, and witnesses that glove tampering and time delays occurred, and video evidence of an illegal inhalant administered that brought Ali around bugeyed and near leaping off his stool.

Ok, then!!!

[ShoulderRoll]

There have been two official investigations of the Kennedy assassination. BOTH found no evidence that would allow them to conclude the Cuban govt, the CIA, USSR, or Mafia we’re involved. The first investigation concluded that Oswald acted ALONE. The second investigation concluded THE SAME in terms that Oswald fired all the bullets that hit Kennedy and Governer Conelly. At the time audio evidence which was not available during the first investigation indicated another gunman fired one shot THAT MISSED. However in the years since that audio evidence had been further analyzed and DISCOUNTED. The conclusion today is it does not show that a second gunman fired a shot. That leaves two official investigations that pretty much jives with one another. OSWALD ACTED ALONE.

Allen Dulles was on the Warren Commission and basically controlled it.

Any conclusions about JFK's death that they came up with have to be taken with a huge grain of salt.

[HOUDINI563]

Silly. There were two investigations. Both concluded the same bottom line. No evidence of a conspiracy. Oswald acted alone. (As mentioned the second investigation concluded two gunman fired upon Kennedy with only Iswald hitting the mark however this second gunman conclusion was proved wrong years later when the acoustic evidence was more in-depthly analysed).

[travestyny]

Allen Dulles was on the Warren Commission and basically controlled it.

Any conclusions about JFK's death that they came up with have to be taken with a huge grain of salt.

lol. That's why I asked twice about who was responsible for these investigations, but for some reason he wouldn't answer. Thanks for clearing that up.

Maybe he thought I was trying to catch him in something. I honestly just wanted to know. I guess that's why he avoided it. Oh well.