Why Jack Johnson is Not as Great as You We’re Told

[GhostofDempsey]

Yes I most definitely am!

Interesting, since Moyle who you love to praise as the end all, be all, references Jack’s 1914 book and his quotes. Guess we finally found something you disagree with Moyle on now.

[travestyny]

An eyewitness who was rooting for Langford sings Langford's praises for lasting the full fight while taking a horrible beating. No mention of Langford ever knocking Johnson down...because it didn't happen.

This was released in "Tad's Tidbits" as his way of dispelling the nonsense that Langford floored Johnson. I agree with Tad that surely if Langford had floored Johnson, it would be revealed here.

[Ivich]

Interesting, since Moyle who you love to praise as the end all, be all, references Jack’s 1914 book and his quotes. Guess we finally found something you disagree with Moyle on now.

Show me where Moyle agrees with the quotes attributed to Johnson.?

[GhostofDempsey]

So what I said is true. He is a free mason, and had given money to a questionable group. Neither would be revealed to the board if I didn't mention it. I have asked you before, what level mason are you? You are still hiding that information. I have said nothing false about your claims. You right on one thing, people can make up their own mind. Once again, what level mason are you?


https://globalnews.ca/news/5201623/n...-south-africa/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...flna2d11708787

Wonder how the resident Farrakhan worshipers feel about Free Masons…

In a speech given on February 27 2011, Farrakhan is critical of all Freemasonry with the exception of Prince Hall affiliation. In this speech Farrakhan contends that "white" Freemasons use Freemasonry to repress the "black" Freemasons.

[GhostofDempsey]

Show me where Moyle agrees with the quotes attributed to Johnson.?

Page 64 of his book.

[billeau2]

The proof on what he said is within another boxing message board , and it wouldn't be proper to post it here. He has admitted to being a free mason, just like I said. Giving money to a group some consider a *********s group he has also done and he's proud of it. What did I say that you want information on? Examples please? Your right accusations deserve proof. I will give them, and some of them depending on him being honest about what said here.

whats wrong with being a mason? I am not one but live and let live.

[billeau2]

You speak like Ivich does and use his lacks of paragraphs too. Hmmm I see you're a newbie coming to his rescue. Something is wrong here. Mods!

DR Z

Im going to back off a moment here... You may have some notions that are wrong, I want to assume they are out of ignorance and so I shall. You may not like Ivich. You may not like an organization, or a group he is associated with... But that does not make these groups, or associations worthy of recriminations. MOST people who attain an advanced age as productive citizens have various associations, etc... Don't be a fool. I will use myself as an example:

1. I lived in a Buddhist Monastery, some people may not like Buddhists... Does that make me a *********? Buddhists are responsible in some parts of the world for defying China and considered enemies of the state...

2. I often get flack here because my wife was a stripper while we both went through graduate school... Someone may find this offensive, does this mean it is wrong?

You can dislike a person but be mindful of what it is you are doing when casting aspersions upon them... There is nothing wrong with supporting a group with a purpose that goes against a government, and nothing wrong with being part of an organization like the Masons. Governments have been known to do bad things! Without protest we would have tyranny.

[billeau2]

Wonder how the resident Farrakhan worshipers feel about Free Masons…

In a speech given on February 27 2011, Farrakhan is critical of all Freemasonry with the exception of Prince Hall affiliation. In this speech Farrakhan contends that "white" Freemasons use Freemasonry to repress the "black" Freemasons.

Ghost,
You really want to get into a debate about Masonic affiliations? You know from where we both grew up how complicated these affiliations and what is said about various groups versus what is practiced actually is... My first and greatest Martial Arts Teacher was affiliated with the pre-Guerrilla Gang Black gang movement in Baltimore... I would go with him to family members who were members... White hate literature all around and with no exception, when I came around I was hugged and fed by the womenfolk and welcomed into the fold with Sensei... And as you know I am White lol.

My point is, these things are complicated.

[QueensburyRules]

Johnson did not make ,"a gentlemans handshake "he along with his then manager Sam Fitzpatrick signed for the fight.
In 1909 Johnson ,now champion announced his price for a title defence was $30,000 .£3000 the purse offered by the NSC was some significant way short of that offer which Johnson called," a slave contract."

Nope Johnson earned a comparative pittance against Burns. Burns got $30,000 Johnson $5000.

- - First I heard of JJ toting a mgr with him overseas, but thanks for digging U own grave. JJ reneged on a sign contract where he moved the goalposts illegally.

It's like U was born yesterday yet again today for the umpteenth no wiser with no improvements.

[Willie Pep 229]

whats wrong with being a mason? I am not one but live and let live.

There is a Free Masonry conspiracy afoot. They are slowly gaining a monopoly on the mining and distribution of the marl market. Once they get it cornered watch how much a new concert pool deck's going to cost.