Why Jack Johnson is Not as Great as You We’re Told

[QueensburyRules]

Instead of fighting Langford for $9000 in the UK and having to pay his own travel and training expenses he fought Flynn in the US for $31,500 and a percentage of the fight films silly of him wasn't it?lol
If you want to blame anyone for Johnson's failure to defend against the 3 best black challengers blame your countrymen the good old White American Public
"Two blacks fighting for the heavyweight title aint worth a bucket of piss" Tex Rickard Promoter
"Two blacks fighting for the title wouldnt draw flies"Jack Curley Promoter
"There is no coin in two colored men boxing for the heavyweight crown" Sunny Jim Coffroth Promoter
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- - JJ was given substantial funds to fight Sam in England if he won the title, a gentlemens' handshake agreement where he reneged his gentlemans' membership.

He earned a career purse vs Burns whereupon he hightailed it to Vancouver of all places. In Canada he could have easily fought Canadian native Sam. Absent that he takes the rail to the Atlantic Coast and sails to England to meet his contract obligations with Sam.

He broke his Sporting club contract, end of, period.

[travestyny]

There was nothing much humorous about the remark. Rather, it probably was an attempt at a pointed joke or a deflection. He apparently did not want to talk about it seriously, or he would have.

Well that's your opinion regarding whether it was funny or not. The reporters apparently found it funny. I thought it was pretty funny as well.

You don't have to be Magnum PI to put together he chose not to be serious about it when he made an obvious joke. He tried to make the fight with Langford numerous times, some of which have been mentioned here a number of times.

[travestyny]

- - JJ was given substantial funds to fight Sam in England if he won the title, a gentlemens' handshake agreement where he reneged his gentlemans' membership.

He earned a career purse vs Burns whereupon he hightailed it to Vancouver of all places. In Canada he could have easily fought Canadian native Sam. Absent that he takes the rail to the Atlantic Coast and sails to England to meet his contract obligations with Sam.

He broke his Sporting club contract, end of, period.

The sporting club contract was not for "substantial funds." Even the newspapers were reporting that it was a paltry sum.

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[Ivich]

So what I said is true. He is a free mason, and had given money to a questionable group. Neither would be revealed to the board if I didn't mention it. I have asked you before, what level mason are you? You are still hiding that information. I have said nothing false about your claims. You right on one thing, people can make up their own mind. Once again, what level mason are you?


https://globalnews.ca/news/5201623/n...-south-africa/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...flna2d11708787

Where I stand in FreeMasonry is none of your business.
Why do you use the term admits as though I'm hiding something or ashamed of it?
I volunteered this information on other forums and I've done so here You've forced me to do nothing you muppet
Now when are you going to post all the terrible things you say I put on other boxing sites?
I'm really looking forward to seeing them!
Would they be as negative as you claiming a friend of yours had seen film of Harry Greb in a fight? To which Steve Compton called you a barefaced liar.
Or how about you claiming to have seen the Langford v Iron Hague fight?
And when I asked you what unique incident happened in the ring just before that fight happened you could not answer?

Or the time when you bet me that the Fitzsimmons v Ruhlin fight was filmed and when I and Steve Compton produced evidence that it wasnt you reneged on the bet and Ted Spoon whom you said confirmed that it had been, told me in a PM he had never spoken to you?
You welched on the bet because you said a re-enactment of the fight made later was the same and counted as the fight being filmed! LOl
Or the time Kevin R Smith posted on the Classic Forum requesting that you stop putting his name to your lies?
Got anything like that on me? If you have, this is the time to PRODUCE IT!
Do you remember challenging me to a fight when you were coming to the UK, you were 34 and as you said ,"6feet 4ins ,and hit a ton"
I was 63, I accepted your challenge and posted on public forum asking for your filght details and to which airport you were coming ?
Gatwick and Heathrow are a hour and a half's ' drive from me.I posted twice on a public forum and sent you 2 pms the same day you posted .
You didn't reply and, only when you were safely back in the US did you acknowledge them.
You excused your not taking going through with the challenge which you yourself initiated ,with the words,"who wants trouble at an airport? "
You would not have been any trouble believe me!

You're liar,a welcher,a hater, a coward, and a miserable excuse for a man..
You opened a can of worms here,
I knew immediately who you were, your outlandish spelling would be enough to give you away without your pathological hatred of Johnson who has been dead for over 80 years!
I was content to leave things as they were, but your phobic agenda compelled you to try and discredit and blacken my reputation with your old lies.
Now be very careful before denying what I've posted,I have access to your old posts
Now the clock's ticking,lets have those posts from other forums that reflect discredit on me put up here?

I'm flying to Istanbul in the early hours and I'll be back Friday afternoon that should give you plenty of time to dish the dirt on me! Start your muck raking!

[GhostofDempsey]

NOPE! Burns weighed 168 for 2 other title defences1 was against Jem Roche.Burns trained in public having sparring sessions for all to watch he was reported to be in top shape by writers and said himself," I am in perfect condition and ready to do myself justice".Burns did not have jaundice or flu that's a load of BS. He was a close friend of the promoter and as champion could have had the fight postponed if he was not in shape.
It's another lie Mendoza has been perpetuating for years.
Johnson's price to fight the black trio was $30,000 when it was met he signed and that is a matter of record that you cannot get around no matter how hard you try!
Johnson was not a matchmaker he was a fighter ,it was not up to him to make fights.
Instead of fighting Langford for $9000 in the UK and having to pay his own travel and training expenses he fought Flynn in the US for $31,500 and a percentage of the fight films silly of him wasn't it?lol
If you want to blame anyone for Johnson's failure to defend against the 3 best black challengers blame your countrymen the good old White American Public
"Two blacks fighting for the heavyweight title aint worth a bucket of piss" Tex Rickard Promoter
"Two blacks fighting for the title wouldnt draw flies"Jack Curley Promoter
"There is no coin in two colored men boxing for the heavyweight crown" Sunny Jim Coffroth Promoter
NY Garden AC Promoter Billy Gibson offered Johnson $25,000 to defend against Jeannette over 10rds.
Johnson held out for $30,000 plus3 roud trip tickets on the train ,it was an18hour journey.
" I dont care who you name to fight me,my price will be the same for my services or I wont appear."
Johnson San Francisco Examiner July 26th 1912
"New York does not like me and I don't like New York.That is the reason I will,not lower my price to box there.
They wont let me fight a white man in that town,but expect .
The reason they won't let me on with a white man is because they know I can beat Palzer and all the rest of them in one ring on the same night.
However this fellow Jeannette will be just as easy,I can punch holes in Joe for ten rounds ,and dont be surprised if I stop him.
Ill be tickled to death to show New York how easy Jeannette is if I get my $30,000"Jack Johnson
San Francisco Examiner July 27th 1912
Johnson signs to fight Jeannette in a 10 rounder at the St Nicholas Club for the McMahon brothers.August 14th 1912
Johnson has a $25,000 guarantee plus if the gate receipts go over $60,000 he would get $30,000 plus 25% of any amount over $60,000,plus Johnson would get a one half interest in the fight films.

Johnson said he weighed 242lbs,and only needed to lose 10lbs to get down to 230lbs for a 10 rounder.
" I whipped that fellow 3 times and can do it every day just for fun.The only time he ever did make a showing with me I was under wraps a bit.You know i had a hard time getting matches those days.
But believe me when I say I'll convince the public I am still a great fighter,by whipping the life out of that fellow,
I expect to make more than$30,000 too"Johnson
The Salt Lake Tribune said Johnson's claim that he was under wraps when he fought Jeannette was true.
Salt Lake Tribune August15th 1912


I'm beginning to think you are an ALT of Mendoza, you both propagate the same lies, though you don't make his weird spelling howlers,he once referred to Sam Langford as Sang Froid!

Once again, Burns did weigh 168 for Johnson, but you want to deny it and insist it was for other fights. You seem to think you know more about the weights of fighters than the ones who were there. Just like Johnson/Langford. Did you know that Johnson himself claimed he weighed 190 for that fight in his own biography and said Langford weighed only 138? Langford always insisted Johnson outweighed him by nearly 50 pounds.

Johnson’s ducking is in the history books and agreed upon by a large majority of historians. Carry on.

[Ivich]

The sporting club contract was not for "substantial funds." Even the newspapers were reporting that it was a paltry sum.

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It was £3000 the NSC headed by Peggy Bettinson was notorius for it's paltry purses. Pollack commented on it, and included their later offers to Johnson in his second Johnson volume.

[Ivich]

Once again, Burns did weigh 168 for Johnson, but you want to deny it and insist it was for other fights. You seem to think you know more about the weights of fighters than the ones who were there. Just like Johnson/Langford. Did you know that Johnson himself claimed he weighed 190 for that fight in his own biography and said Langford weighed only 138? Langford always insisted Johnson outweighed him by nearly 50 pounds.

Johnson’s ducking is in the history books and agreed upon by a large majority of historians. Carry on.

Burns weighed 1681/2 in the nude Xmas morning, as he did for 2 other defences which I said ,you need to read my post again,your hatred is affecting your reading ability!lol
I have Johnson's autobiography and he claimed nothing of the sort!
I tell you what I do claim> That I know more about this subject than you do!

[Ivich]

- - JJ was given substantial funds to fight Sam in England if he won the title, a gentlemens' handshake agreement where he reneged his gentlemans' membership.

He earned a career purse vs Burns whereupon he hightailed it to Vancouver of all places. In Canada he could have easily fought Canadian native Sam. Absent that he takes the rail to the Atlantic Coast and sails to England to meet his contract obligations with Sam.

He broke his Sporting club contract, end of, period.

Johnson did not make ,"a gentlemans handshake "he along with his then manager Sam Fitzpatrick signed for the fight.
In 1909 Johnson ,now champion announced his price for a title defence was $30,000 .£3000 the purse offered by the NSC was some significant way short of that offer which Johnson called," a slave contract."

Nope Johnson earned a comparative pittance against Burns. Burns got $30,000 Johnson $5000.

[GhostofDempsey]

Burns weighed 1681/2 in the nude Xmas morning, as he did for 2 other defences which I said ,you need to read my post again,your hatred is affecting your reading ability!lol
I have Johnson's autobiography and he claimed nothing of the sort!
I tell you what I do claim> That I know more about this subject than you do!

You began your post with “nope”, and insisted Burns came in at 168 for two other fights. I corrected you on Johnson.

Johnson’s French biography written in 1914 includes the following quotes from him:

Of the fight against Langford, Johnson admits misjudging him. Johnson claimed their weights as 190 to 138.

Johnson confirms that Langford did indeed drop him… "In the second round, the little ****** (nègre) landed a terrific right hand on my jaw and I went down like I'd been hit by a cannonball. Never in my entire pugilistic career, before nor since, have I taken a punch that landed with that much force. It was all I could do to get back on my feet by the time the referee was about to count "Ten!." I managed to do that but I assure you that I felt the effects of that punch for the rest of the fight. I realized at that moment that against a man like Langford, you can never let your guard down and that I needed to use all the skill that I had."

So was Johnson lying about the weights including his own weight, and lying about being knocked down?

[Ivich]

You began your post with “nope”, and insisted Burns came in at 168 for two other fights. I corrected you on Johnson.

Johnson’s French biography written in 1914 includes the following quotes from him:

Of the fight against Langford, Johnson admits misjudging him. Johnson claimed their weights as 190 to 138.

Johnson confirms that Langford did indeed drop him… "In the second round, the little ****** (nègre) landed a terrific right hand on my jaw and I went down like I'd been hit by a cannonball. Never in my entire pugilistic career, before nor since, have I taken a punch that landed with that much force. It was all I could do to get back on my feet by the time the referee was about to count "Ten!." I managed to do that but I assure you that I felt the effects of that punch for the rest of the fight. I realized at that moment that against a man like Langford, you can never let your guard down and that I needed to use all the skill that I had."

So was Johnson lying about the weights including his own weight, and lying about being knocked down?

Mes Combats was not written by Johnson It was thrice translated comic written by a hack.Langford never dropped Johnson.
Burns in the nude weighed 168 1/2lbs Xmas day 1908. See ,I told you I knew more than you! lol