No boxer could have beat Mike Tyson on the 22nd of November, 1986

[BKM-]

Charles, Walcott, Patterson and Ali were all faster than him. And don't call me a moron, I have a thousand times the boxing knowledge you do, so you are only insulting yourself. Frazier a plodder? Hell, what fights of his have you seen?

Watch Frazier against the likes of Chuvalo, Quarry, Ramos, Ellis and Foster. He is a machine. Let alone the Frazier of Ali 1. Frazier moves very quickly on his feet. Watch some footage before you embarass yourself. If you would get Tyson's balls out of your mouth, and watched other fighters too, you would see he isn't God.

You do realise that Tyson had about 30/40 pounds of muscle on those Cruiserweights(yeah yeah, they were heavyweights. Very small ones so you cant compare)? He was HUGE for his size. The only one faster was Ali, and he was a true heavyweight like Tyson.

Roy Jones was faster as a HW than Tyson and Ali or those other fighters you mentioned. He was even heavier than them, but you didn't mention him did you? No, because size is a big factor.

[BKM-]

Spaghetti legs? What **** are you on about? Frazier's chin was solid, it probably wasn't quite as good as Tyson's though. But he didn't have spaghetti legs. The major difference between the two is heart. Frazier had so much it was ridiculous, Tyson had barely any. But you are right (like I said initially), that Tyson's handspeed is faster in terms of throwing multiple punches (i.e. combinations), but in terms of the single left hook, which was Joe's money punch, I think Frazier was on par with Tyson.

Never questioned Frazier's chin, i was comparing him to Tyson's chin because thats what the other poster was doing. Spaghetti legs, chicken dance, whatever. I won be sarcastic next time like you say ''Get Tyson's balls out of your mouth''. He was wobbling against some of his opponents who cant even compare to punching power with Frank Bruno, Razor Ruddock or even Douglass and James Smith.

Yes?

[catskills23]

Never questioned Frazier's chin, i was comparing him to Tyson's chin because thats what the other poster was doing. Spaghetti legs, chicken dance, whatever. I won be sarcastic next time like you say ''Get Tyson's balls out of your mouth''. He was wobbling against some of his opponents who cant even compare to punching power with Frank Bruno, Razor Ruddock or even Douglass and James Smith.

Yes?

Yaman tyson started his career out as a southpaw .why did tyson change from southpaw?.

[BKM-]

Yaman tyson started his career out as a southpaw .why did tyson change from southpaw?.

I dunno really. I heard that his left was so good that Cus or Rooney wanted him to use it as a jab. Therefor he would be powerfull with both hands fighting this way.

[catskills23]

I dunno really. I heard that his left was so good that Cus or Rooney wanted him to use it as a jab. Therefor he would be powerfull with both hands fighting this way.

is it because its vey difficult to fight soutpaw when your a short heavyweight?. would tyson of generated more power if stayed southpaw . would it being impossible for him to utilise the peek a boo style if he stayed southpaw.

[hellfire508]

Never questioned Frazier's chin, i was comparing him to Tyson's chin because thats what the other poster was doing. Spaghetti legs, chicken dance, whatever. I won be sarcastic next time like you say ''Get Tyson's balls out of your mouth''. He was wobbling against some of his opponents who cant even compare to punching power with Frank Bruno, Razor Ruddock or even Douglass and James Smith.

Yes?

No. Ruddock probably not. He hit damn hard.

Which opponents are you referring to anyway? Anyone who can stay on his feet for 41 rounds against Muhammad Ali, under non-stop punishment, has good legs. Any lesser figher would have fallen in the 14th of Manila especially, thats for sure.

[hellfire508]

Charles no, Walcott no, Patterson hands yes but feet no, ali faster with hands and feet.

Charles, yes. Walcott, yes. Patterson, yes. Watch the film. Just because they don't constantly rush forward, doesn't mean they weren't fast on their feet. Ever seen Walcott's tricky footwork? He invented the shuffle you know.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Any lesser figher would have fallen in the 14th of Manila especially, thats for sure

Damn right. The amount of punishment he soaked up and he was practically blind and yet still standing despite the onslaught.

[catskills23]

Charles, yes. Walcott, yes. Patterson, yes. Watch the film. Just because they don't constantly rush forward, doesn't mean they weren't fast on their feet. Ever seen Walcott's tricky footwork? He invented the shuffle you know.

thats your opinion. i disagree . Have you seen sparring footage . Tyson was quicker in sparring than he was in the ring .

[BKM-]

Damn right. The amount of punishment he soaked up and he was practically blind and yet still standing despite the onslaught.

One word..HEART. That what kept him up. Ali was a slapper. He had no power and he still staggered Frazier a lot of times.