Put Sonny Liston in Tyson/Holyfield's era

[Willow The Wisp]

Alright, then you're forgiven. Eye jabs were never allowed, so referees should not allow them, nor should they ever allow bites. They weren't even allowed back in UFC 1. Groin hits were oddly allowed for a while in the early MMA days and only gave fighters a fine, but they never should've been allowed either. They're thankfully outlawed now too.

Ya Man. When I want to throw up but I can't quite bring it, instead of sticking my finger down my throat I just queue up Keith Hackney versus Joe Son.

[Anthony342]

Ya Man. When I want to throw up but I can't quite bring it, instead of sticking my finger down my throat I just queue up Keith Hackney versus Joe Son.

Or just Joe Son in general, knowing what that creep went to prison for.

[The Old LefHook]

Ya Man. When I want to throw up but I can't quite bring it, instead of sticking my finger down my throat I just queue up Keith Hackney versus Joe Son.

Hackney. A karate instructor who fought a giant Hawaiian or Samoan in UFC many years ago?

[billeau2]

Shutup you dummy. YDKSAB or Liston... the adults are talking.

remember what happened the last time you tried that. Probably not... bad memory is part of low IQ

[QueensburyRules]

I tend to think that Sonny Liston and Jimmy Young were two extremely underestimated fighters. Eventually when enough time passes I think we should be allowed to entertain reasons for a defeat. With Liston by the time he fought Ali he was probably well past 40, and otherwise not near his twilight. If you look at prime Liston he checked so many boxes: Im talking if we look from the first Johnny L to the present... Liston had the size to be in there with any modern heavyweight. He had the beard, the power, he could box magnificently. I would put prime Liston in against any other great heavyweight.

And Jimmy Young? People constantly squawk that he had no power... Yet he stopped foreman on a TKO, almost Knocked him down... And Young was able to beat the premier punchers (Shavers and Lyle), outbox the boxers... he arguably beat Ali. Ditto for Norton. Actually Young didn't fight Frazier lol... He fought and a case can be made that he beat virtually all of the great heavyweights from what was, to many, the most competative era for heavyweights.

- - Controversial Split Decision Win where Jimmy ran like a cat on fire for 12 rounds to save his life.

[Willow The Wisp]

Hackney. A karate instructor who fought a giant Hawaiian or Samoan in UFC many years ago?

That's the guy. Slugged the late Emmanuel Yarbrough with a single shot that he couldn't crawl back up from. Lost to Royce and got RNCd by Marco Ruas "The King of the Streets", one of the first to truly to synthesize grappling and striking in early modern MMA. 600 llb. Yarbrough was actually African American, and you're thinking of Gerard Gordeau knocking out Teila Tuli of Hawaii at UFC I in 93'.

[billeau2]

- - Controversial Split Decision Win where Jimmy ran like a cat on fire for 12 rounds to save his life.

Only to you... and I admonish anyone to watch the fight and form their own judgement.

[The Old LefHook]

That's the guy. Slugged the late Emmanuel Yarbrough with a single shot that he couldn't crawl back up from. Lost to Royce and got RNCd by Marco Ruas "The King of the Streets", one of the first to truly to synthesize grappling and striking in early modern MMA. 600 llb. Yarbrough was actually African American, and you're thinking of Gerard Gordeau knocking out Teila Tuli of Hawaii at UFC I in 93'.

On, I think his first TV appearance with UFC, Tank Abbot kayoed a giant Hawaiian with one punch, but jumped on him in their style and continued to pound until the ref got there. I didn't know what happened to Hackney after Yarbrough. So Hackney couldn't cut it with the real fighters, eh?

[The Old LefHook]

Only to you... and I admonish anyone to watch the fight and form their own judgement.

Still wasting your time?

[Willie Pep 229]

Only to you... and I admonish anyone to watch the fight and form their own judgement.

Warning: Same old opinion coming.

OK but it was like watching Leonard avoid engaging Hagler for 12 rounds.

We need 45 round championship fights and then tell me Young would have won a decision.

More realistically it's hard to judge, but there is effective boxing and there are fights/fighters who intend to do nothing more than win a punch count with ineffective blows.

As a fight wares on we fans can (if we want to) recognize that strategy at play and what was suspose to be a prize fight becomes a stall, that bores.

Young and Leonard were masterful those respective nights, as the CW goes, but I never once thought they had the wherewithal to beat the man in front of them.

Yea, Young outboxed Foreman. I was hoping a fight might break out. But it didn't.