Put Sonny Liston in Tyson/Holyfield's era

[The Old LefHook]

lennox fought a man named acey that was the modern son for lennox difference is he moved on his toes more

Acey was as slow but more sloopy then son defense was bad just the same threw wide punches similar to and lennox wasnt as strong as his older self but he still destroyed that man
he was missing shots bad and lennox picked him off easy

Imagine the hw ver of lennox facing acey when lennox hit way harder and was way better with his tech he would had destroyed ace way faster

So that shows slow easy to read basic son would be destroyed only crazy idiots say otherwise its obvious he gets destroyed by mid carders even he isn't impressive compared to these eras

The only thing worse than an educated idiot is an uneducated one.

[Ascended]

The only thing worse than an educated idiot is an uneducated one.

you didn't have to say that I already knew that and have told you this before you dont have to insult yourself in the public

[Anthony342]

Meh. There has to reach a point where those cameo appeaences can't honestly impact your legacy. If a 50-60 year old Hall of Famer flounders in Baseball's old-timers game, nobody views him as diminishing his standing in history. The realities of time are accepted. Everyone's having a good time. Something about a once great fighter taking a hiding though, creats a different spectacle. Holyfield still boasting a hardbody at 60 doesn't help. It's too easy to see him as the 1992 version. Jack Jonson getting beaten up then winning a fake return match against fringe contender Brad Simmons, "The Drumright Phantom" in 1931, or 300 pound Rid**** Bowe getting lowkicked into submission by middling Muay Thai Heavyweight Levgen Golovin a few years ago, you knew Bowe had no business sparring anyone just looking at him, to say nothing of listening, and Johnson was fleshy. But Evander could have still played "The Real Deal" in the movie, provided he had a stunt double. For his part Vitor Belfort is no beginner in the ring. A Judo black belt and a Carlson Gracie prize student BJJ black belt, much of his success in claiming an all-time great status in mixed martial arts is actually attributable to years of extensive boxing training under famed coach Claudio Coelho, his first love from the age of 12 that saw him try out for the Brazilian Olympic boxing team. Evander looked in training like he looked in the fight; fit but in no shape to be in competition, actually banned by the NYSAC since 2005.
Though reports of Holyfield's compansation ranged wildly between 5 million and 500k, after PPV revenues were modest, Julie Imanuel Brown, Secretary of the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation reveiled that Holyfield received $2,885,000 for his last minute participation that saved the show for Triller, which included PPV and sponsorship revenue percentages. That breaks down to $26,467.80 per second for his 109 second cameo, 6.5 years away from social secuity eligibility. Even though the show was silly and the fans knew it; for MMA legends Belfort, Anderson Silva and Tito Ortiz it represented career high paydays, surely a welcome change from being exploited by the UFC. So even here, peope went home happy. I'll tell you the truth; if you want to make any money for yourself fighting, you need to jettison all that kicking, dry humping and butt sniffing stuff, and fight with HONOR. Boxing, due to its intrinsic value, will outlive em' all.

So it's only honorable if people only fight by throwing punches? That's an opinion and not a fact. Grappling arts and MMA go all the way back to ancient times of pankration. They're here to stay, like it or not. So sick of the old argument of MMA being just a trend. If it was just a trend, it would've been gone by now.

[Willow The Wisp]

So it's only honorable if people only fight by throwing punches? That's an opinion and not a fact. Grappling arts and MMA go all the way back to ancient times of pankration. They're here to stay, like it or not. So sick of the old argument of MMA being just a trend. If it was just a trend, it would've been gone by now.

MMA and all the others are great sports. I was being (semi) funny.

How do you feel about eye jabs, groin hits and bites?

[billeau2]

you didn't have to say that I already knew that and have told you this before you dont have to insult yourself in the public

Shutup you dummy. YDKSAB or Liston... the adults are talking.

[Ascended]

Shutup you dummy. YDKSAB or Liston... the adults are talking.

Shutup you dummy. YDKSAB or Liston... the adults are talking.

[Ascended]

So it's only honorable if people only fight by throwing punches? That's an opinion and not a fact. Grappling arts and MMA go all the way back to ancient times of pankration. They're here to stay, like it or not. So sick of the old argument of MMA being just a trend. If it was just a trend, it would've been gone by now.

that dumb quote was exposed years ago you idiot follower rah and mccall didnt just hit lennox one time you idiot and mccall and rah used way more advanced movement then son ever did left that out didn't you see how using dumb follower quotes you read expose you idiot

Left out in the rematch when lennox was ready he picked off rah and rah was koed lennox was a master when he was ready at picking shots

Left out son was hurt by leotis and had trouble with him

left out son was dropped by ali and they say it was fake dont know if it was fake or real either way he stayed down cause he knew ali was to much skilled for him

Even before the drop by ali ali was landing at will cause of son basic movement like I said and how slow son was

So maybe you should watch rah and mccall agian anybody with good vision can see they were like i said way more advanced then son ever was

So no the real son on video which was like i said he was would be destroyed fast since he was nothing like the dudes who you compared for some odd reason yet them being way more advanced as I said which made you look like a idiot and lennox wins every time fast you crazy idiot

Your fiction son wins fast though but its no vid of him so he doesn't matter

a comparison that makes sense is lennox fought a man named acey that was the modern son for lennox difference is he moved on his toes more

Acey was as slow but more sloopy then son defense was bad just the same threw wide punches similar to and lennox wasnt as strong as his older self but he still destroyed that man
he was missing shots bad and lennox picked him off easy

Imagine the hw ver of lennox facing acey when lennox hit way harder and was way better with his tech he would had destroyed ace way faster

Your a idiot son loses by being destroyed like I said see how you shouldn't repeat silly quotes other idiot followers say you idiot watch matches

Don't see why son couldn't do the same as rah and mccall yet both being way more advanced then him.... you people are idiots just say any dumb quote you read and think it makes sense

[billeau2]

I tend to think that Sonny Liston and Jimmy Young were two extremely underestimated fighters. Eventually when enough time passes I think we should be allowed to entertain reasons for a defeat. With Liston by the time he fought Ali he was probably well past 40, and otherwise not near his twilight. If you look at prime Liston he checked so many boxes: Im talking if we look from the first Johnny L to the present... Liston had the size to be in there with any modern heavyweight. He had the beard, the power, he could box magnificently. I would put prime Liston in against any other great heavyweight.

And Jimmy Young? People constantly squawk that he had no power... Yet he stopped foreman on a TKO, almost Knocked him down... And Young was able to beat the premier punchers (Shavers and Lyle), outbox the boxers... he arguably beat Ali. Ditto for Norton. Actually Young didn't fight Frazier lol... He fought and a case can be made that he beat virtually all of the great heavyweights from what was, to many, the most competative era for heavyweights.

[Anthony342]

MMA and all the others are great sports. I was being (semi) funny.

How do you feel about eye jabs, groin hits and bites?

Alright, then you're forgiven. Eye jabs were never allowed, so referees should not allow them, nor should they ever allow bites. They weren't even allowed back in UFC 1. Groin hits were oddly allowed for a while in the early MMA days and only gave fighters a fine, but they never should've been allowed either. They're thankfully outlawed now too.

[The Old LefHook]

Alright, then you're forgiven. Eye jabs were never allowed, so referees should not allow them, nor should they ever allow bites. They weren't even allowed back in UFC 1. Groin hits were oddly allowed for a while in the early MMA days and only gave fighters a fine, but they never should've been allowed either. They're thankfully outlawed now too.

I remember a guy in MMA getting his opponent in a cross mount, where he hammered his groin over and over.