Boxing record least likely to ever be broken....?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

The UFC gets paid by the networks because the highers ups are exploiting it get the most money they can. It won't get any bigger than it is now.

Mayweather vs Pacquiao has shown us that the top boxer can make 100 X more than the top UFC fighter....

The UFC is a corporation. They just so happen to be the dominant corporation in their field.

Boxing as a sport is a conglomerate and every individual fighter is their own corporation in a sense. Ultimately, there are no limits to what a boxer can make.

Corporate brass can limit what a UFC fighter makes...

How is that better?

Mma in general is so much more we'll run than boxing.. Ufc could stay they same size forever and still be bigger than boxing in its current state.. Boxing in its current state is never going to rebound, the status quo is exactly why it's failing in the first place. I had high hopes that pbc could change things and follow the ufc model, but so far they have executed horribly.

This reminds me of when rap music became popular in the 80s/90s and everyone said it was a fad and would never be bigger than rock.. Flash forward 25 years and rock has shrunk and rap/hip hop are huge

[i got the keys]

Mma in general is so much more we'll run than boxing.. Ufc could stay they same size forever and still be bigger than boxing in its current state.. Boxing in its current state is never going to rebound, the status quo is exactly why it's failing in the first place. I had high hopes that pbc could change things and follow the ufc model, but so far they have executed horribly.

This reminds me of when rap music became popular in the 80s/90s and everyone said it was a fad and would never be bigger than rock.. Flash forward 25 years and rock has shrunk and rap/hip hop are huge

I disagree. And especially with the rap/rock comparison. Compare the highest earners in rock to the highest earners in rap and you'll see the disparity...

The PBC doesn't need to follow the UFC model where you put everything you possibly can into the promotion yet the fighters don't bank anything near what the top Boxers make.

The fact that PBC an actually buy time from networks shows how powerful boxing is.

No MMA fighter would ever make $40Mil a fight in similar contrast to what Mayweather did with his showtime deal.

No comparison. The UFC is top heavy.

They sold because they know they've reached their peak market interest.

You way boxing can't rebound? What would do they need to rebound from? It's run the same way it has always been ran. Boxing stars will continue to pop up and those at the top of the totem pole in boxing will continue to make more money than those at the top of the totem pole as fighters in the UFC.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't know if I agree with SugarAdamAli here but what I will say is that 2016 has been one of the worst years for Boxing that I can remember.

[i got the keys]

I don't know if I agree with SugarAdamAli here but what I will say is that 2016 has been one of the worst years for Boxing that I can remember.

There are several fights on tap that will be very good.

Loma vs Walters
Ward vs Kovalev

ect...

Charlo-Williams
Donaire

[Anthony342]

Maybe not per fight, but there are reports of Conor McGregor making about 40 mil for 2016. It's a young sport so the pay still has a ways to go to increase, like every sport in its early days. Hell, baseball players used to take the subway like everyone else and football players used to work odd jobs in the off season, like sales or construction to pay the bills. Now they don't have to. Eventually, like boxers, MMA fighters for major promotions will be able to, through salary and sponsorship deals, dedicate all their time to fighting and not have to work a second job.

So, you're kind of both right. Boxing is not dead and there's always the potential for another star to break out to make the sport bigger. Hell, I just read today that with women's boxing in the olympics now and US fighters winning medals, that has the potential to become bigger again, so you never know.

But also MMA is getting bigger. Even if boxers can make more and boxing can draw more fans still, MMA is still making fights fans want to see when they want to see them a lot more than boxing is these days, with a few exceptions like Ward/Kovalev or maybe even Wlad/Joshua, which is being talked about now, but too often we wait months or several years for them to happen or they don't happen at all. And the Japanese have a knack for having their fighters add some nice theatrics, with their entrances, music, costumes and even the moves they do during fights. Pride was as beloved as the biggest fights back in the day, like Rizin is getting to be now, not overall as popular, but hugely loved. I really wish boxing were bigger overall, like when I was growing up though. Local radio host here Tony Page often talks about how there used to be maybe 10 big fights a year everyone knew about, then about 5 by the '80s and '90s and now maybe 2 or 3.

[The Iron Man]

Can't see anyone younger than Wilfred Benitez (17) winning a lineal title.

[Anthony342]

True, but Joe Louis' string of lineal defenses has to be up there as difficult as well.

[i got the keys]

Maybe not her fight, but there are reports of Conor McGregor making about 40 mil for 2016. It's a young sport so the pay still has a ways to go to increase, like every sport in its early days. Hell, baseball players used to take the subway like everyone else and football players used to work odd jobs in the off season, like sales or construction to pay the bills. Now they don't have to. Eventually, like boxers, MMA fighters for major promotions will be able to, through salary and sponsorship deals, dedicate all their time to fighting and not have to work a second job.

So, you're kind of both right. Boxing is not dead and there's always the potential for another star to break out to make the sport bigger. Hell, I just read today that with women's boxing in the olympics now and US fighters winning medals, that has the potential to become bigger again, so you never know.

But also MMA is getting bigger. Even if boxers can make more and boxing can draw more fans still, MMA is still making fights fans want to see when they want to see them a lot more than boxing is these days, with a few exceptions like Ward/Kovalev or maybe even Wlad/Joshua, which is being talked about now, but too often we wait months or several years for them to happen or they don't happen at all. And the Japanese have a knack for having their fighters add some nice theatrics, with their entrances, music, costumes and even the moves they do during fights. Pride was as beloved as the biggest fights back in the day, like Rizin is getting to be now, not overall as popular, but hugely loved. I really wish boxing were bigger overall, like when I was growing up though. Local radio host here Tony Page often talks about how there used to be maybe 10 big fights a year everyone knew about, then about 5 by the '80s and '90s and now maybe 2 or 3.

I don't disagree with your post but I just don't think MMA rising in popularity has any bearing on Boxing. Boxing fans are still going to watch boxing. They may very well watch MMA as well, which I do, but the better MMA gets isn't going to make me watch boxing any less.

Other people are making arguements that MMA is taking over boxing or that boxing is failing because of the rise in MMA. That's not valid in anyway. The NFL is the most popular sport in the US and there are people who don't watch football. So the idea that MMA is taking away boxing fans can be taken with a grain of salt.

[Anthony342]

Yes, agreed. Although, I've been hearing reports on the radio lately that NFL ratings are down a lot. Some say it might be because of the presidential election coverage, others because of all the rule changes leading to a lot more penalty calls, which is slowing down games. Boxing just needs more fighters to call their own shots and take on all the best, show some balls, like Kovalev or GGG and they'll be fine, plus eventually a dominant American heavyweight. So it's not taking over, but it's becoming more popular. I find the idea of seeing what fighting styles work best in a fight intriguing. Boxing was dismissed for a long time until more fighters in MMA started using it in their stand up and learned how to use it more effectively. A lot of the top guys will even work with the same trainers as boxers do now. If a guy is effective with boxing and wrestling, with some BJJ and muay thai thrown in, he'll be a pretty complete fighter. Not sure if we'll live to see boxing as big as in the '90s, but will at least keep seeing some good fights.

[Anthony342]

And not just Joe Louis' 25 title defense record, but possibly Bernard Hopkins' record of being the oldest man to win a major/lineal title will be a tough record to break as well.