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  • The Old LefHook
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    #31
    I still believe what $ they can generate depends greatly on what each fighter represents as a symbol. That both shall be superlative combatants is the other important detail. When each represents something bigger, the fight promotes itself.

    These days there is a continual transparent effort from promoters to pretend certain fighters are household names, or represent millions of people. The most common fact, constantly abused and brought up for money, is Mexican heritage. Tie yourself to Mexican heritage and you are supposed to be tough. It doesn't matter if you are the Derrick Gainer of Mexicans. If anyone questions your toughness, you simply say with a deliberate scowl, "I am a Mexican." But if anyone questions your intelligence, then you say with the same scowl, "I am not a Mexican."

    De La Hoya, and Canelo under his guidance, have yammered so much in the press about Mexican fighters, mixed in with the promotional lies, mis-insinuations, rationalizations and justifications, they have themselves believing their own dissembling. I say Canelo represents all Mexicans that look Irish. That must be quite a handful.

    MMA chose the promotional style of professional wrestling rather than challenging boxing in its own corporate domain. The presentstion of its live shows has progressively grown more WWE-like. In UFC you have a ring announcer screaming as if microphones are a decade away or he has rabies, fight announcers screaming from teleprompters and emotion, or rabies. The music is so loud that standing next to a revving jet engine without earplugs is the nearest equivalent. Everyone and everything involved tries to act as if this is it! And it is driving them not to excitement, but to panting delerium. The whole thing is so put on it is sickening.

    Few of boxing's more reserved and dignified traditions are retained. Gone are the days of cigar smoke-filled auditoriums, and press rows with the likes of Jimmy Cannon and Ring Lardner. Boxing tradition is not only older, but disproportionately richer than it should be comparitively, because MMA chose a vacuous, lowbrow model it could steal from wrestling. It took the easy way and it has a lack of history to show for that.

    I find the format of a boxing presentation much more interesting and entertaining than paid halfwits yelling nonstop. The MMA crowd is younger than the boxing crowd. Everything is transient in their world of distraction and counter distraction. I find UFC tradition particularly vacuous and bereft of wider meaning or connotation. Theirs is strictly the comic book approach to tradition and promotion. Listen to one of their announcers call a highlight tape. He will sound more delerious than the most excited live caller of a boxing match you can ever think of.

    They constantly try to make up a lasting anchor and tradition, by referring to their history a lot, yet it is a history filled with WWE type fanfare and ******ity more like distrubing the peace than announcing a fight.

    Maybe they will come up with some angle that allows them to draw a huge gate. What they have will never do it. Perhaps the new Chinese owners realize this. I do not care myself. Their presentation is as frantic as The Price Is Right, and that drives me away.

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    • i got the keys
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      #32
      Originally posted by The Old LefHook
      I still believe what $ they can generate depends greatly on what each fighter represents as a symbol. That both shall be superlative combatants is the other important detail. When each represents something bigger, the fight promotes itself.

      These days there is a continual transparent effort from promoters to pretend certain fighters are household names, or represent millions of people. The most common fact, constantly abused and brought up for money, is Mexican heritage. Tie yourself to Mexican heritage and you are supposed to be tough. It doesn't matter if you are the Derrick Gainer of Mexicans. If anyone questions your toughness, you simply say with a deliberate scowl, "I am a Mexican." But if anyone questions your intelligence, then you say with the same scowl, "I am not a Mexican."

      De La Hoya, and Canelo under his guidance, have yammered so much in the press about Mexican fighters, mixed in with the promotional lies, mis-insinuations, rationalizations and justifications, they have themselves believing their own dissembling. I say Canelo represents all Mexicans that look Irish. That must be quite a handful.

      MMA chose the promotional style of professional wrestling rather than challenging boxing in its own corporate domain. The presentstion of its live shows has progressively grown more WWE-like. In UFC you have a ring announcer screaming as if microphones are a decade away or he has rabies, fight announcers screaming from teleprompters and emotion, or rabies. The music is so loud that standing next to a revving jet engine without earplugs is the nearest equivalent. Everyone and everything involved tries to act as if this is it! And it is driving them not to excitement, but to panting delerium. The whole thing is so put on it is sickening.

      Few of boxing's more reserved and dignified traditions are retained. Gone are the days of cigar smoke-filled auditoriums, and press rows with the likes of Jimmy Cannon and Ring Lardner. Boxing tradition is not only older, but disproportionately richer than it should be comparitively, because MMA chose a vacuous, lowbrow model it could steal from wrestling. It took the easy way and it has a lack of history to show for that.

      I find the format of a boxing presentation much more interesting and entertaining than paid halfwits yelling nonstop. The MMA crowd is younger than the boxing crowd. Everything is transient in their world of distraction and counter distraction. I find UFC tradition particularly vacuous and bereft of wider meaning or connotation. Theirs is strictly the comic book approach to tradition and promotion. Listen to one of their announcers call a highlight tape. He will sound more delerious than the most excited live caller of a boxing match you can ever think of.

      They constantly try to make up a lasting anchor and tradition, by referring to their history a lot, yet it is a history filled with WWE type fanfare and ******ity more like distrubing the peace than announcing a fight.

      Maybe they will come up with some angle that allows them to draw a huge gate. What they have will never do it. Perhaps the new Chinese owners realize this. I do not care myself. Their presentation is as frantic as The Price Is Right, and that drives me away.
      Kudos to you bro.

      I couldn't have stated this any better. This pretty much sums up the argument that I've been trying to make.

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        #33
        Originally posted by i got the keys
        I'll just keep it simple for the time being.

        The UFC made $157Million in revenue last year....

        Let that marinate.....


        May-Pac generated $400+ million....


        Anyway you slice it....when boxing starts are on the forefront, they will always dominate...
        Lmao...

        No offense, You have no idea what you're talking about..

        Do u know the difference between revenue and profit..

        UFC only does 157 mil in revenue????

        UFC has ebitda of over 200 million (do u know what that is) and revenue over 700 mil and will be over a billion a year when they sign their next tv dea...

        Why does boxing have to pay hundreds of millions to be on tv, and UFC gets PAID hundreds of millions to be on tv?

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          #34
          And in all honesty, UFC/mma isn't the cause of boxing's downfall..

          It's the fact that boxing is horribly ran and have driven away all the casuals..
          Boxing in its current state is just not a good product and everyone knows it.. that's why HBO is slashing budget and networks won't touch it unless they get paid millions..

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            #35
            I still say Joe Louis' lineal, undisputed 25 title defenses won't be broken, unless someone comes along determined to win and defend the Ring heavyweight belt.

            As for the MMA vs. boxing argument, at least MMA makes the bigger fights fans want to see a lot more often. Their November card in MSG has several fights that could main event any card on their own. And boxing fans are still waiting on GGG vs. Canelo to happen. At least there's Ward/Kovalev to look forward to. Plus MMA actually shows their entire undercard online, so you can see the future stars on the way up, not just when they become stars and are already halfway into their career. And May/Pac was two years ago. Ask most people if they know who the current best in boxing are and they won't know, but ask those same people the same about MMA and they'd be able to name at least 3-5 people, like McGregor, Rousey, Eddie Alvarez, Dominick Cruz or Michael Bisping, maybe even Hendo. That's the important thing to me. I couldn't really care less who is more popular, just who makes the better fights more often and that's currently MMA. I still love boxing though and look forward to seeing if Wlad could reclaim the title and Ward/Kovalev.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
              Lmao...

              No offense, You have no idea what you're talking about..

              Do u know the difference between revenue and profit..

              UFC only does 157 mil in revenue????

              UFC has ebitda of over 200 million (do u know what that is) and revenue over 700 mil and will be over a billion a year when they sign their next tv dea...

              Why does boxing have to pay hundreds of millions to be on tv, and UFC gets PAID hundreds of millions to be on tv?
              MMA is only a threat to peope like you who post about it on boxing forums....

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              • Sugar Adam Ali
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                #37
                Originally posted by i got the keys
                MMA is only a threat to peope like you who post about it on boxing forums....
                Maybe if you could comprehend alittle better

                I never said mma was a threat to boxing, I only said that if a fight breaks floyd/manny record, it will probably be a ufc fight.. Ufc isn't killing boxing, boxing is killing boxing.. The downward turn for boxing happened years before ufc was a force.. I have no doubt that ufc will continue to dominate boxing, simply because boxing is so horribly ran and is shrinking at a shocking rate in America as a result

                And if you weren't going to answer my questions, then why even respond back

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                • i got the keys
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
                  Maybe if you could comprehend alittle better

                  I never said mma was a threat to boxing, I only said that if a fight breaks floyd/manny record, it will probably be a ufc fight.. Ufc isn't killing boxing, boxing is killing boxing.. The downward turn for boxing happened years before ufc was a force.. I have no doubt that ufc will continue to dominate boxing, simply because boxing is so horribly ran and is shrinking at a shocking rate in America as a result

                  And if you weren't going to answer my questions, then why even respond back
                  It can only dominate to MMA fans...

                  That's like saying the NHL action is going to continue to dominate baseball action. It's only going to be the people who watch hockey making that assessment. It can't dominate something if the audience that you're trying to interpret it to doesn't watch it.

                  Would you go on a hockey forum saying that basketball will continue to dominate? What would be the purpose?

                  Why try to shove your agenda down the throats of people who don't care?

                  A hockey fan isn't going to care whether you think basketball is more dominate just as much as a boxing fan doesn't care for your opinion saying the UFC dominates. Make no sense.

                  And the notion that boxing is dead. Well apparently boxing hasn't gotten the picture. If it's dead then why do you watch it?

                  The UFC is to Boxing what Canadian Football is to the NFL.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by i got the keys
                    It can only dominate to MMA fans...

                    That's like saying the NHL action is going to continue to dominate baseball action. It's only going to be the people who watch hockey making that assessment. It can't dominate something if the audience that you're trying to interpret it to doesn't watch it.

                    Would you go on a hockey forum saying that basketball will continue to dominate? What would be the purpose?

                    Why try to shove your agenda down the throats of people who don't care?

                    A hockey fan isn't going to care whether you think basketball is more dominate just as much as a boxing fan doesn't care for your opinion saying the UFC dominates. Make no sense.

                    And the notion that boxing is dead. Well apparently boxing hasn't gotten the picture. If it's dead then why do you watch it?

                    The UFC is to Boxing what Canadian Football is to the NFL.
                    Lmao...

                    Why do you keep dodging my questions?

                    Why does UFC get paid hundreds of millions to be on network TV and boxing has to spend hundreds of millions to be on same networks?

                    What year did boxing sell 10 mil PPv buys?

                    What year did boxing have 3 seperate million PPv buy cards in the same yeR, let alone the 5 that ufc has this year?


                    Keep being in denial... This isn't an agenda this is facts

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
                      Lmao...

                      Why do you keep dodging my questions?

                      Why does UFC get paid hundreds of millions to be on network TV and boxing has to spend hundreds of millions to be on same networks?

                      What year did boxing sell 10 mil PPv buys?

                      What year did boxing have 3 seperate million PPv buy cards in the same yeR, let alone the 5 that ufc has this year?


                      Keep being in denial... This isn't an agenda this is facts
                      The UFC gets paid by the networks because the highers ups are exploiting it get the most money they can. It won't get any bigger than it is now.

                      Mayweather vs Pacquiao has shown us that the top boxer can make 100 X more than the top UFC fighter....

                      The UFC is a corporation. They just so happen to be the dominant corporation in their field.

                      Boxing as a sport is a conglomerate and every individual fighter is their own corporation in a sense. Ultimately, there are no limits to what a boxer can make.

                      Corporate brass can limit what a UFC fighter makes...

                      How is that better?

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