Jeffries vs Foreman

[billeau2]

- - Jeff beat up several fighters who beat or otherwise made JJ LOOK LIKE U Snail d00d00.He was fed up with boxing to retire as a wealthy farme, about 100x more than U scrawny boxing experiences…

And point is? Besides your double vision? Triangle theory has been proved silly time and time again... It is alas, at least an improvement for you, because you are trying to use some form of logical thinking, even if it is ridiculous and wrong, I guess it is a start. No one should call you a classless drunk because? someone remind me please?

[billeau2]

- - So, U say Ali became a sissy handed puncher because of a layoff?

Ummm yeah... Ali was older, the bones get weaker, and anyone who knows the sport, or similar sports understands that hand protection is really just that! Most fighters would break their hands up trying to hit with no padding gloves. Of all the things fighters of old would do, the real achilles heal was always trying not to injure the hands. So why would it be strange for a heavyweight, a fighter who has hands roughly the same size as others, but a lot more power to injure their hands!!!!? Idiot.

[JAB5239]

This is not accurate. I offer Bronson a wager. If he declines I will entertian you.

It is a fact Jeffries never defended the heavyweight championship against a black man. Also a fact the he said he would never do so. Please don't try to use the Griffin fight. That was not for the heavyweight championship and more of an professional 4 round exhibition.

[Bronson66]

This is not accurate. I offer Bronson a wager. If he declines I will entertian you.

Nope.Five fight Jem Smith won a novice tournament and then proclaimed himself the British Commonwealth Champion.
That is NOT the British Championship ,to be eligible for that you have to be BRITISH.
Neither Jackson or Slavin qualified for that Jackson being born in the ****** islands US territory and Slavin being Australian.
Jackson was not defending any title, Smith's claim was a spurious one to start with.
Jackson and Slavin were recognized as the 2 best fighters qualified ,and more importantly available to contest for the Commonwealth Title.
This is my statement below and it is easily verifiable.

"Jeffries was guaranteed a purse to defend against both Denver Ed Martin and Sam McVey that far exceeded his purse for defending against Jack Munroe and John Finnegan,but he ignored those offers".

Jeffries turned down a $20,000 guarantee to fight Sam McVey in1903 .

Jeffries received $18.750 as his share of the purse for defending against Jack Munroe,a year later.
https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SFC19031...N-Sam+McVey---


As usual,you have made a complete," see you next Tuesday",of yourself.
I know what Jeffries purses were for the Finnegan and Munroe Fights,I also know you DON'T!
Jeffries got $1.200 for fighting Finnegan,or as Pollack remarked $21.82 per second ! Jeffries waved to the crowd laughing as he left the ring,as well he might!
The fight lasted less than a minute.

Pollack does not consider the Finnegan fight a title defence. page 346.

Jeffries fought a 4 round exhibition with Griffin, undertaking to stop Griffin in 4 rds or forfeit $100,he failed to stop him and Griffin won his $100 Jeffries title was NOT at stake.
Pollack sums it up in detail in his Jeffries biography on page 454.It was part ofJeff's exhibition tour

Why would I make a wager with a proven bet welsher,who refused to pay up when it was proven by 4 different sources,3 of them being boxing writers,that the Ruhlin v Fitzsimmons was NOT FILMED?
Your get out that because a fake re-enactment was later made, that counted as the real fight being filmed was typical of you, shameless,ludicrous,and absurd.
In October 1904,after Johnson had ko'd Denver Ed Martin and taken his Coloured Heavyweight title,
Jeffries was offered a $15,000 guarantee to defend against Johnson ,he ignored it.

ps When you don't know what the**** you are talking about,its always best to keep your ****** trap shut!

[QueensburyRules]

This is what he said.
"Ali didn't have fragile hands until after the forced exile."

- - Ali always had fragile hands, hence his statement that when he could put in 5 rounds on the heavy bag, he was ready for the match.

I could do 5 rds in my sleep with one hand tied behind me.

[Bronson66]

- - Ali always had fragile hands, hence his statement that when he could put in 5 rounds on the heavy bag, he was ready for the match.

I could do 5 rds in my sleep with one hand tied behind me.

You missed the point entirely,but,as Tom Jones once said,"It's Not Unusual."

[billeau2]

You missed the point entirely,but,as Tom Jones once said,"It's Not Unusual."

[Willow The Wisp]

Regarding one of the chief tangents; contemporary people frequently miss queues when imposing modern ethics & standards on historical events. My grandfather; a fighter and lifelong follower of boxing, was born in 1890. With just one degree of separation, "we" knew people who were alive in, say, 1840; when Slavery was accepted, legal and common; and the folks alive then, largely accepted (without nessisarily endorsing) the institution; it being part of their society. I can't realistically "blame" all those folks my grandfather knew for a thankfully outmoded norm.
The same holds true for Sullivan through Braddock. Avoiding the black contenders was NOT their stand! It was strictly a societal code; and one that was as deeply ingrained as it was evil.
But then, so too would it be abnormal for a Gentile to trust a ***ish man, or a Protestant to do any business with a Catholic; or a woman to vote; and so on.
At least boxing got it together long long before other sports did.

As to the question raised on this ancient thread from 2006; I think that TS K-DOGG nailed in on the first page.

I think that Jeffries had all of the things to make it a hard assignment for miracle George. A carefully aggressive style, limitless stamina, and iron chin, decent size, very good power top notch athleticism and physical strength to match Foreman's (an extraordinary rare commodity amongst people who can move and punch fast enough to box and last 3 rounds).
If it was was a grueling 15 rounder; Jeff is one of the worst match-ups that you could find in history for George Foreman.
He could handle the abuse, while so few could, and Foreman was not going to be outboxing Jeffries in the 2nd half of the fight by any means.
..as always, just guessing, and always humble.

[QueensburyRules]

You missed the point entirely,but,as Tom Jones once said,"It's Not Unusual."

- - The point was in Paree on U noggine where U was snarfing snails.

Thanks for reentering U dumbo point...

[Bronson66]

- - The point was in Paree on U noggine where U was snarfing snails.

Thanks for reentering U dumbo point...

Thanks for proving it! lol