Roy Jones Jr's alleged "weak opposition"

[Scott9945]

Ha!

What do you want to discuss regarding Nunn?

I was tired last night. I'm in England, so it was about 3-4 am when I was debating with you.

Well, since you brought it up...

Roy absolutely ducked Michael Nunn, who was his mandatory contender. The WBC saved him which almost caused that organization to go out of business after losing a lawsuit related to that.

[robertzimmerman]

Lmao at this thread and Dan's other thread... Dude has lost his mind...


Downgrading toney

Hyping roy...


Lmao

Your giving credit for roy beating REGGIE johnson... Lol,, a career 154-160 fighter, and you hypin roy beating him at 175 a decade later... But wants to discount toney's won over REGGIE because he struggled... Maybe he should have just fought him much higher in weight at the end of his career like roy did... Your fanboy ass will give roy credit for fighting a faded ass 154 champ at 175, but then downgrade toney's win when REGGIE was in his prime and at his best weight..


If you watched boxong throughout Roy's career, you would know that this dude took one big fight in his prime and nothing else..

Your ass in other threads tried to be a revisionist history and claim roy-hopkins was "clearly battle of the two top middleweights". Lmao,,,,,, hopkins was nothing more than a regional chamo club fighter at best when roy fought him for a vacant belt... Similar to how Charles Martin just fought for a vacant belt...

Since you want to downgrade toney's career, I will ask you this..

What is Roy's best wins from the toney fight in 94-2003.. guy was a superstar and the money man, with an hbo contract and was the best possible fight for any opponent, could make any fight he wanted..band didn't deliver a big fight for nearly a decade..

Yet your the same dude that craps all over calzaghe.. Lmao... Match Roy's lightheavy opponents vs joes 168-175 opponents.. There is little difference..

I can't tell if your just trolling or you actually believe the crap your saying..

Roy was great but coasted for the majority of his career, that's why he never hit stardom like floyd or Oscar. His resume is filled with Berto's, ghost Guerrero, etc but no Canelo's

Only a fanboy can hype up roy beating 40 year Reggie and mccallum, old ass virgil hill that already got outboxed by old Hearns and beaten down by daruisz


ROY TOOK ONE BIG FIGHT IN HIS CAREER VS TONEY... That's the facts.. Hopkins was a nobody that turned out to be somebody a decade later, if you watched bixing back then you would know, unless your a fanboy

Ever notice how roy wasn't that spectacular when fighting legit competition..


Name the prime fighter that roy blew out and stopped..

Sure he was great vs Vinny paz, del Valle, old hill, Otis, etc

Floyd even says you a cherrypicker..



Literally how can you go from nov of 94 to May of 03 and not fight anyone of note or PPv worthy...... But you want to claim roy had great competition.. Lmao, trying to hype vaca and Castro,,, basically the baldomirs of the 90s

For real, I can't tell if your trolling or for real... But if your for real and toney is overrated and roy fought murderer's row, then your a fanboy idiot..


Name the star in boxing that went a decade without a big fights even though they had hbo money behind any fight... Guys like floyd, roy, wlad, chavez jr, canelo, Oscar can ,are any fight they want at anytime.. Yet roy spent a decade beating up the Vinny paz's of the world.

Your threads are a joke if your serious... Lmao at you downplaying toney's won over a prome Reggie but then hyping Roy's win over a faded Reggie at the end of his career..

Your threads are ****** and all your doing is losing credibility.. I really do like you as a poster, and sorry if I'm being harsh, but you are entering the Elroy zone recently

You started out by making some great points regarding Iron's thread on Toney. But then you've let yourself down.

Roy didn't just take one big fight in his career.

He could not make any fight he wanted.

He also looked spectacular against fighters who were above the ability of guys like Pazienza.

He blew out a prime Griffin who was a good fighter.

How on earth can you say that he fought nobody worthy for 9 years? If that was the case, then nobody would get credit for anything. He consistently beat top ten guys and other champions, as well as former and future champions.

He did not spend a decade beating up the Paz's of the world.

I suggest you go and view the links I've uploaded in my previous posts.


I understand you were trying emphasise your point to Iron, but you've gone too far.

[robertzimmerman]

This is not a slam on him as I think he would have won the fight anyway, but the fight against Sosa was a premature stoppage IMO. As awkward as Sosa always was, that was jumping the gun. Would have liked to see f he could get in on Jones but it got stopped before he could.

Merqui would have had no chance in my opinion.

The stoppage was controversial, but I can see it from both sides. Merqui was so tough, so I think he could have been given the benefit of the doubt. But on the other hand, there was nothing coming back. I haven't seen it for a while, but I remember the HBO team siding with the referee.

[IronDanHamza]

Merqui would have had no chance in my opinion.

The stoppage was controversial, but I can see it from both sides. Merqui was so tough, so I think he could have been given the benefit of the doubt. But on the other hand, there was nothing coming back. I haven't seen it for a while, but I remember the HBO team siding with the referee.

Sosa was tough as nails. He had to be because his defense was pretty shocking.

You look at Sosa and you think "this guy looks so poor and flawed" yet he found a way to do well in fights.

Toney dropped him quite bad in their fight but Sosa rallied late and did well after dropping most of the first 6.

[robertzimmerman]

I guess it depends who you compare it too... Roy is considered to be one of the elite greats of all time, by many and one of the greatest talent that this sport ever saw - his resume, while highly impressive and like you say - underrated, probably doesn't match his potential.
I'll add my vote o support for Reggies case as a highly underappriciated fighter, as I thought he won all of his MW title fights, but it has to be mentioned Roy fought him at light heavyweight and at older age. Reggie still was good, don't get me wrong - I feel he should've been a beltholder in his 40's when he beat Gonzalez who in my opinion just beat Clinton Woods in their rematch - but definitely not at his best.
Similary with Virgil Hill - I thought while still very good, probably not exactly in his prime.
Then you had bunch of really good, but not great fighters. I'll add Lou Del Valle to that list who is another underrated fighter (I thought he edged Hill, then Girard twice in close fights), crafty southpaw..
Roy probably doesn't get enough credit for beating John Ruiz and especially Tarver, after coming down in weight and looking like shell. He grinded that one out, gotta give him that!
I know a lot of the fights that didn't happen was because of politics. Roy didn't want to sign with Don King so getting fights with his fighters was problematics.. Michalczewski and Eubank never wanted to fight him in US, Roy and Reggie were suppose to meet in unification at 160, but Lamar Parks refused to step aside as a mandatory and then Roy had to move up for Toney to catch him before James himself moved up again...
What I don't really get is why Steve Collins fight never happend? Steve was pretty much free agent at the time and kept talking about Roy after every fight.. I think Roy said before Brannon fight in that weird ring interview that he offered Collins a fight, but not sure if that's true?

Yes, in 96, HBO backed Roy when he said he'd offered Collins 7 figures. But I don't know what the specifics were. But when Roy couldn't unify the division against Benn/Nardiellio and Liles, he went up to LHW for a new challenge. Other than a lot of money, I guess there wasn't much point in fighting for Collins' lightly regarded WBO belt, if he couldn't obtain the WBA and the WBC belts.

In 99, Collins got into the ring to challenge Roy after he'd beaten Ricky Frazier. From what I've read, Roy initially agreed to fight him, giving his attorney Stan Levin the green light to start negotiations. But what appeared to happen, was that when the dust had settled, he chose to fight Reggie Johnson in a unification match instead, after speaking to his new business advisor, Murad Muhammad. So it does appear that Roy messed him around somewhat. Which obviously I don't agree with. But a fight against Reggie was obviously the better fight to make, considering it was to unify the LHW division, and that Collins hadn't fought for about 2 years. Lou DiBella also preferred the Johnson fight for HBO, but he did say at the time, that he'd like Collins and Calzaghe to fight, with the winner potentially facing Roy at some point. But that wasn't possible, because Collins got injured during camp when he was due to fight on a Calzaghe card. At which point he decided to retire upon medical advice. Also, Joe claimed in 99, that he wasn't chasing Roy and that he didn't want tough fights.

So to summarize:

Collins basically got left behind on two occasions. Roy went with what he thought were the better options. But I've got an enormous amount of respect for how Collins chased him down. And it's a shame we never saw the fights. Although in 99, it was probably a blessing.

[robertzimmerman]

And Voila! Someone finally grasps what the thread is about.

It only took 6 pages.

Although I'd argue some were better than just decent.

Correct.

He also made very good fighters look like nobodies.

[joeandthebums]

Good subject. Good information. Good Thread.

[IronDanHamza]

Good subject. Good information. Good Thread.

Thanks mate.

Check out the Toney thread.

Would be interested to know your opinion.

[joseph5620]

I believe Roy Jones Jr has an ATG resume. I don't recall anybody making a case for his resume being the greatest of all time which seems to be a separate argument some in this thread are making.


His opposition overall is far from "weak."

[IronDanHamza]

I believe Roy Jones Jr has an ATG resume. I don't recall anybody making a case for his resume being the greatest of all time which seems to be a separate argument some in this thread are making.


His opposition overall is far from "weak."

Exactly, glad I'm not the only one.

"Haha! You're hyping up Jones resume!"

This thread has nothing to do with where Jones should be ranked, it's not even to do with his resume or how good his resume is.

I'm analysing the alleged "weak opponents"

Literally says it in the thread title.