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[The Old LefHook]

You make vapid generalizations...you must like the sound of your own voice. You are incapable of seriously analyzing technique. Some of us, myself included are great fans of modern trainers as well as those in the past....we just analyze at the technical level...for example, I happen to be a big fan of Barry Robinson, a guy who is an innovator and deals primarily with technical situations being deconstructed.

Robinson was able, when the situation called for it, to let his hands go, other times he fought cautiously... You don't see this because your a jerk. There are times when a fighter should fight more aggresively and use punching power, Robinson had that skill set, as well as many others. What people tend to admire, and what history confirms is that this man had a most impressive amount of things he could do in the ring. The fact that he won so much shows he knew when to use what skill sets. Watch him set up hiis punches, and how fast he sets, uses a combo, a feint, then watch a fighter like Ward...a very superb technical fighter. Ward looks like he is setting things up in SLO MOTION.

But you don't know what to look for and like the typical flat earther....because you can't see it with your eyes you don't believe it. Your a bore, everyone knows the BS you peddle. Up your game, look carefully at things you may learn something. You used to be amusing but your just...well like Sonny, the same old agenda, with no information added.

I don't argue with these heaps of offal anymore. Elroy or Plunger do not deserve the logic of my responses. They go beyond ignorance to the heart of ******ity. You saw me cut Juggy off eternally. They pretend to understand what they are watching, then post inane analyses. They cannot up their game, so I have dismissed them from my company. There is no place for halfwits at my table.

[joeandthebums]

The conversation was regarding robinson losing or drawing to fighters he shouldn't have...Henry brimm according to my dads ring enclyopeadia ..it states that the crowd booed the decision as it could have gone his way....Henry brimm lost 18 out of 48 contest and 4 of those were also draws....so stating what I said its correct....

Apart from reading your dad's book what else do you know about Brimm? Even by going on boxrec you could of learnt he was National WW Champion for 1940 but didn't begin his professional career until 1942.

2 year gap - worthy of investigation? Worth looking into his career?

You say you don't buy into Robinson being some demi-god, but then start listing fighter he shouldn't have lost to.

The crowd booed the decision... which is always conclusive of an incorrect decision? Worth thinking about where the fight took place? Who was the home fighter?

in regards to Tommy bell robinson had a terrible time the first 5 rounds against bell and was also dropped for a count , bell also won the 10,13, and 14th and based on that alone robinson was lucky to get the win, and again based on robsinson losing to lesser fights or struggling I am correct ...

From your dad's book again?

You seem a real expert on the period. In your opinion who were the best WW's of 1946 - top ten?

Tommy bell lost 29 contests out of 85 with also 3 losses so again he was not the best of fighters...

So you're one of those... Who did Bell lose to? Caliber of fighter?

with joey maxim and Ray robinson were both in the ring so both had to cope with the heat and humidity....even if robinson was moving away then maxim was moving forward ...so in my eyes it's an even playing field

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I agree with The Old LefHook - you're ignorance is not worthy of guidance.

[The Old LefHook]

There was one fight where Robinson had to sweat off part of a pound--I think against Fusari. For most of his prime career I believe he could have made junior middleweight without too much trouble. He could be a little careless about weight. Since weight cutting was not part of his regimen, perhaps that is part of the reason he did not appear as rock hard and cut as one might expect, but a little fleshy--not fat--in the stomach. He could carry a little extra flesh to the scale and make weight on the same day. He always came in near his natural weight. Even for the Maxim fight he weighed less than you expect a contemporary middleweight to enter the ring after rehydration when fighting another middleweight. Despite his height, mass-wise he was a small middleweight in his prime. He partied up in Europe and made weight, presumably with little training in between. He was a natural middleweight for whom the weight was easy.

Trace the motions in red of each fighter in the ring, and it becomes clear that the fighter playing the game of evasion puts on more mileage than his pursuer. In addition, it is easily testable that moving backward is more draining than moving forward.

[billeau2]

There was one fight where Robinson had to sweat off part of a pound--I think against Fusari. For most of his prime career I believe he could have made junior middleweight without too much trouble. He could be a little careless about weight. Since weight cutting was not part of his regimen, perhaps that is part of the reason he did not appear as rock hard and cut as one might expect, but a little fleshy--not fat--in the stomach. He could carry a little extra flesh to the scale and make weight on the same day. He always came in near his natural weight. Even for the Maxim fight he weighed less than you expect a contemporary middleweight to enter the ring after rehydration when fighting another middleweight. Despite his height, mass-wise he was a small middleweight in his prime. He partied up in Europe and made weight, presumably with little training in between. He was a natural middleweight for whom the weight was easy.

Trace the motions in red of each fighter in the ring, and it becomes clear that the fighter playing the game of evasion puts on more mileage than his pursuer. In addition, it is easily testable that moving backward is more draining than moving forward.

Good point Lefty! Running away is exhausting, ask Cotto against Margarito in the first fight...yeah plaster wraps helped.

[The plunger man]

Apart from reading your dad's book what else do you know about Brimm? Even by going on boxrec you could of learnt he was National WW Champion for 1940 but didn't begin his professional career until 1942.

2 year gap - worthy of investigation? Worth looking into his career?

You say you don't buy into Robinson being some demi-god, but then start listing fighter he shouldn't have lost to.

The crowd booed the decision... which is always conclusive of an incorrect decision? Worth thinking about where the fight took place? Who was the home fighter?




From your dad's book again?

You seem a real expert on the period. In your opinion who were the best WW's of 1946 - top ten?



So you're one of those... Who did Bell lose to? Caliber of fighter?



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I agree with The Old LefHook - you're ignorance is not worthy of guidance.

Because I don't go along with your opinion on ray robinson that makes me the ignorant one lol...so I have to take your words as gospel that he was some kind of superman and I just don't agree with it , your the ignorant one my friend , I'm not trying to force my opinions on you and insist you go along with my thinking but you are with me ....you asked for some reasoning behind my opinion and I told you and that's that , now your asking about the top 10 WW of that era , buddy I don't care and I certainly won't carry on any more debates with a person who sees and hears what he wants to hear....I've either been boxing or watching boxing since I was 14 so I don't need guidance thank you

[Elroy1]

Ray Robinson was a bum and fought only bums as we'd describe him and them today.

His special claim is that he has the best numerical record of all. Of course once deflated its easy to see through the nut bags.

These are the facts.

[The plunger man]

I don't argue with these heaps of offal anymore. Elroy or Plunger do not deserve the logic of my responses. They go beyond ignorance to the heart of ******ity. You saw me cut Juggy off eternally. They pretend to understand what they are watching, then post inane analyses. They cannot up their game, so I have dismissed them from my company. There is no place for halfwits at my table.

We have never had a conversation before so how can I be involved in your company ....u my friend are brainwashed and you see things only you want to see

[McGoorty]

Ray Robinson was a bum and fought only bums as we'd describe him and them today.

His special claim is that he has the best numerical record of all. Of course once deflated its easy to see through the nut bags.

These are the facts.

A bum ????? OK that's it, you have proved yourself a troll and are here just to stir up faeces. I am now asking the moderators, can you PLEASE ban this troll, this place deserves better.

[joeandthebums]

Because I don't go along with your opinion on ray robinson that makes me the ignorant one lol...

I have not given an opinion on Robinson, I gave a response to two of his contests you commented on.

Yes you are ignorant, you have made statements of belief which you have arrived at after reading one source and given zero further thought to subject.

so I have to take your words as gospel that he was some kind of superman and I just don't agree with it , your the ignorant one my friend , I'm not trying to force my opinions on you and insist you go along with my thinking but you are with me

No do not take my word, but go investigate what you are talking about. You do not have enough information to even form an opinion but that is what you have done and then tried to pass it off as knowledge.

Again I never made any comment on Robinson's ability, only two contests.

you asked for some reasoning behind my opinion and I told you and that's that

It was in your dad's book.

ynow your asking about the top 10 WW of that era

No it was for a single year. How can you comment on Bell as a fighter or his career, or his losses if you do not have any concept of his level when he was active?

buddy I don't care and I certainly won't carry on any more debates with a person who sees and hears what he wants to hear....

You don't care because you don't know enough about what you are talking about, you've invested zero time in learning facts - so happy to stay with your perception of events.

I've either been boxing or watching boxing since I was 14 so I don't need guidance thank you

Neither has nothing to do with the subject - unless you were there to watch those contests?

[The plunger man]

I have not given an opinion on Robinson, I gave a response to two of his contests you commented on.

Yes you are ignorant, you have made statements of belief which you have arrived at after reading one source and given zero further thought to subject.



No do not take my word, but go investigate what you are talking about. You do not have enough information to even form an opinion but that is what you have done and then tried to pass it off as knowledge.

Again I never made any comment on Robinson's ability, only two contests.



It was in your dad's book.



No it was for a single year. How can you comment on Bell as a fighter or his career, or his losses if you do not have any concept of his level when he was active?



You don't care because you don't know enough about what you are talking about, you've invested zero time in learning facts - so happy to stay with your perception of events.



Neither has nothing to do with the subject - unless you were there to watch those contests?

You have the same information on robinson as what I do...you were more than likely not around when robinson was fighting as a welterweight so don't come and comment on my opinions about Robinson...if I don't carry the same views as your biased mind I couldn't give a f@ck what you think...I've followed boxing since I was 7 and had my first gloves gien to me from an ex British champion ..there are articles written about robsinson a on boxrec and also ring encyclopaedia detailing robinson having a difficult time with both bell and brimms.....both fighters are not recognised as all times great fighters and there respective records prove that with brimm almost losing 50 percent of his bouts....both bell and brimm are not considered great fighters and that was the discussion and then you jumped all over my comment when I was not even talking to you...if you don't f@ckng like it then don't comment....I gave every respect to robsinson as an all time great for his era and somehow you have turned it into a some sort of sugar ray robsinson crusade ....he had bad defence, he was reckless , he was wild, he threw a lazy jab and got tagged with head shot repeatedly ...I have never been under the impression that he is the greatest fighter that ever wore a pair of gloves simply by watching some of stinkers on film....get over and don't write to me again