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[McGoorty]

.........who is to say that Les Darcy can't beat him ?(Robinson).... if anyone comes out and says no ...well chuckle all you want, chucklehead!


Darcey a lean away backfoot weighted style from the bare knuckle profiled era would be destroyed by Robinson. Darcey barely 5'6" against a 5'11" master boxer and hard hitting KO artists from the "modern era"!
Darcey never left Australia and fought nobodies his Middleweight career was barely 3 years!
Robinson fought for 25 years, he was a Middleweight contender & champion for 15 years. He fought over 300 times as an amateur and pro and was stopped ONCE! That was against the lightheavy champ and from attrision and he was beating the champ! They used two refes and 4 judges, ringside seats were fainting. Tell me Darcey beats Maxim too!!!!
If you think the heavier man wears out before the lighter weight man you don't know much about boxing!
Comparing these two talents is ridiculous, I don't mean to knock your hero but he's not in the same class as Robinson and thats NOT a knock, because no one is!

The only size differences are in the heavies. From Forman to Bowe to Lennox to Wlad. Other than the 6'4"+ 235--245lbs at the unlimited class the other classes show NO larger men on average.
The welters in the 70's ---90's Curry, Leonard, Hearns, McCrory, Breland, Forest etc...were much bigger than the Mayweather era. Floyd Pac, Cotto, Shane etc.. were barely 5'7".
Height hasn't changed much for the Modern Era (1930's) to the Current Era (1995). Talents are simular except there are fewer great fighters now and the skill level on the men above 175 isn't as high as it once was. Alot of that stems from the competition level being weak. The better skilled fighters can achieve their potential without quality opponents.
When the so-called top contenders fight the champs you never seem them again, or they didsappear for 2 to 3 years! They got their pay day and their gone, that tells you what the competition level is all about. Once your in shape this is a "mind game" and the weak minded disappear!
Ray

Darcy fought nobodies ?????? wtf ?... he never left Australia ? yes he did, wake up !!! is it his fault they blocked virtually every fight he had organised in America ?? is it his fault he DIED AT AGE 21 ????? according to you apperently he must have decided to die rather than fight in America........ if Robinson had died at age 21 how many pro fights do you think he'd have had. Besides you just insulted anyone who ever held Jeff Smith or Jimmy Clabby or George Chip or Eddie McGoorty in high regard..... apparently Harry Greb knows sweet F**K ALL....... after all he regarded Jeff Smith as his toughest opponent he ever fought yet Darcy beat Smith in TWO ROUNDS. I am sick of all this pro American bias crap.

[McGoorty]

.........who is to say that Les Darcy can't beat him ?(Robinson).... if anyone comes out and says no ...well chuckle all you want, chucklehead!


Darcey a lean away backfoot weighted style from the bare knuckle profiled era would be destroyed by Robinson. Darcey barely 5'6" against a 5'11" master boxer and hard hitting KO artists from the "modern era"!
Darcey never left Australia and fought nobodies his Middleweight career was barely 3 years!
Robinson fought for 25 years, he was a Middleweight contender & champion for 15 years. He fought over 300 times as an amateur and pro and was stopped ONCE! That was against the lightheavy champ and from attrision and he was beating the champ! They used two refes and 4 judges, ringside seats were fainting. Tell me Darcey beats Maxim too!!!!
If you think the heavier man wears out before the lighter weight man you don't know much about boxing!
Comparing these two talents is ridiculous, I don't mean to knock your hero but he's not in the same class as Robinson and thats NOT a knock, because no one is!

The only size differences are in the heavies. From Forman to Bowe to Lennox to Wlad. Other than the 6'4"+ 235--245lbs at the unlimited class the other classes show NO larger men on average.
The welters in the 70's ---90's Curry, Leonard, Hearns, McCrory, Breland, Forest etc...were much bigger than the Mayweather era. Floyd Pac, Cotto, Shane etc.. were barely 5'7".
Height hasn't changed much for the Modern Era (1930's) to the Current Era (1995). Talents are simular except there are fewer great fighters now and the skill level on the men above 175 isn't as high as it once was. Alot of that stems from the competition level being weak. The better skilled fighters can achieve their potential without quality opponents.
When the so-called top contenders fight the champs you never seem them again, or they didsappear for 2 to 3 years! They got their pay day and their gone, that tells you what the competition level is all about. Once your in shape this is a "mind game" and the weak minded disappear!
Ray

Also I would like to thank you for trying to say in all those words that I am somehow a dumb c**t who knows nothing.......

[McGoorty]

No doubt. I don't have chauvanistic views towards professional endevours, ie I think there were times when the great olympic teams of the Cubans were the equal of professional fighters, I also assumed there was some professional activity in Rugby, however I do think it would be naive not to think that if Rugby had the presence of Soccer and Football, you would have more athletes involved and that this might cause an upsurge in talent...maybe not for every club, but as the norm.

Well Rugby isn't as big as soccer mainly because there are two very different rugby codes, if the Union had simply woken up to the fact that it is archaic and that rugby league was far more exciting and modern and came to peace terms to form a single code then maybe it would be as big as soccer but the two rugby codes have been in a state of total war for 120 years now which has held both games back a LOT.

[McGoorty]

.........who is to say that Les Darcy can't beat him ?(Robinson).... if anyone comes out and says no ...well chuckle all you want, chucklehead!


Darcey a lean away backfoot weighted style from the bare knuckle profiled era would be destroyed by Robinson. Darcey barely 5'6" against a 5'11" master boxer and hard hitting KO artists from the "modern era"!
Darcey never left Australia and fought nobodies his Middleweight career was barely 3 years!
Robinson fought for 25 years, he was a Middleweight contender & champion for 15 years. He fought over 300 times as an amateur and pro and was stopped ONCE! That was against the lightheavy champ and from attrision and he was beating the champ! They used two refes and 4 judges, ringside seats were fainting. Tell me Darcey beats Maxim too!!!!
If you think the heavier man wears out before the lighter weight man you don't know much about boxing!
Comparing these two talents is ridiculous, I don't mean to knock your hero but he's not in the same class as Robinson and thats NOT a knock, because no one is!

The only size differences are in the heavies. From Forman to Bowe to Lennox to Wlad. Other than the 6'4"+ 235--245lbs at the unlimited class the other classes show NO larger men on average.
The welters in the 70's ---90's Curry, Leonard, Hearns, McCrory, Breland, Forest etc...were much bigger than the Mayweather era. Floyd Pac, Cotto, Shane etc.. were barely 5'7".
Height hasn't changed much for the Modern Era (1930's) to the Current Era (1995). Talents are simular except there are fewer great fighters now and the skill level on the men above 175 isn't as high as it once was. Alot of that stems from the competition level being weak. The better skilled fighters can achieve their potential without quality opponents.
When the so-called top contenders fight the champs you never seem them again, or they didsappear for 2 to 3 years! They got their pay day and their gone, that tells you what the competition level is all about. Once your in shape this is a "mind game" and the weak minded disappear!
Ray

Maxim was nowhere near as good as Darcy, and Darcy probably beats him ten fights out of eleven and oh yeah NO ONE EVER even put Darcy on the canvas let alone knocks him out. Somehow you have it in your head that at least 300 fighters were better than Darcy.... Your knowledge of fighters before 1920 is very very poor it seems

[billeau2]

Well Rugby isn't as big as soccer mainly because there are two very different rugby codes, if the Union had simply woken up to the fact that it is archaic and that rugby league was far more exciting and modern and came to peace terms to form a single code then maybe it would be as big as soccer but the two rugby codes have been in a state of total war for 120 years now which has held both games back a LOT.

That makes sense. I don't doubt it. I don't think the fact that some sports have a bigger presence makes them better. Case in point miss Rhonda Rousey. A mere Judo champ. After Japan was occupied the Japanese police force had kodokan Judo black belt as requirement and these gents could clear a bar faster than Leroy Brown. Rousey is untouchable right now because of her club sport pedigree. I just think that with some sports the money caused more talented athletes to enter the game. I am quite sure that if Rugby was not impeded it could evolve. I used Rugby as an example merely because of the fact that nationally it does not have the presence of basketball, football, and soccer... I don't think this makes it lack, I don't doubt it could have more of a presence.

[Ray Corso]

.........."Also I would like to thank you for trying to say in all those words that I am somehow a dumb c**t who knows nothing......."

I stated I understand your "nationalists" feelings and I know the story of Darcey. Your implying that with experience and maturity that he could could be competitive AND defeat Sugar Ray. Well thats fine for you to think, however theres no evidence that he could and his opponents don't compare to Robinsons stature.
No one called you any names and I didn't suggest that 300 fighters were better the 300 bouts with one stoppage simply shows the experience and willingness that Robinson maintained for 15 years as opposed to a unproven world wide competitor.
I'm not suggesting Darcey couldn't box I am stating his handful of middleweight encounters doesn't compare to Robinsons career. Relax & Breath

Ray.

[McGoorty]

.........."Also I would like to thank you for trying to say in all those words that I am somehow a dumb c**t who knows nothing......."

I stated I understand your "nationalists" feelings and I know the story of Darcey. Your implying that with experience and maturity that he could could be competitive AND defeat Sugar Ray. Well thats fine for you to think, however theres no evidence that he could and his opponents don't compare to Robinsons stature.
No one called you any names and I didn't suggest that 300 fighters were better the 300 bouts with one stoppage simply shows the experience and willingness that Robinson maintained for 15 years as opposed to a unproven world wide competitor.
I'm not suggesting Darcey couldn't box I am stating his handful of middleweight encounters doesn't compare to Robinsons career. Relax & Breath

Ray.

Ray, I think Les fought some opponents as good or at least real close to as good as the best ray fought with the exception of Armstrong, there would be very good case that a Jeff Smith or Eddie McGoorty or Chip or Clabby would beat a Graziano big time or have given LaMotta or Fulmer a hell of a fight.... BUT I DO acknowledge Les never fought anyone as good as Ray Robinson........ my point was though that there have been guys who because of style or certain attributes who may have beaten Ray but that would come down to them being bigger and stronger. Joey Maxim did beat ray that night, yes ray said heat did it but I am not so sure that is the only reason, he took a lot of shots later in the fight and Maxim was no slouch despite me suggesting Darcy was better POUND FOR POUND........ I saw Joey fight Patterson and he gave Floyd a hell of a hiding and I think if a prime Floyd Patterson fought a prime Robinson that because of Floyd's size and speed that he would actually knock Ray out... but thats because of size... a heavyweight as good as Floyd Patterson beats every middleweight to ever live and that includes darcy btw

[McGoorty]

That makes sense. I don't doubt it. I don't think the fact that some sports have a bigger presence makes them better. Case in point miss Rhonda Rousey. A mere Judo champ. After Japan was occupied the Japanese police force had kodokan Judo black belt as requirement and these gents could clear a bar faster than Leroy Brown. Rousey is untouchable right now because of her club sport pedigree. I just think that with some sports the money caused more talented athletes to enter the game. I am quite sure that if Rugby was not impeded it could evolve. I used Rugby as an example merely because of the fact that nationally it does not have the presence of basketball, football, and soccer... I don't think this makes it lack, I don't doubt it could have more of a presence.

no a sports popularity does not make it better than a less popular sport, Soccer is the biggest sport in the world yet I rate it low and nowhere near as good a sport as the number two most popular sport in the world, cricket which by the way has over 1.5 BILLION fans worldwide... being the national sport of India has a little bit to do with that, it is also the national sport of Australia, pakistan and jamiaca and Trinidad and some other West indian countries... now there is a great sport

[Elroy1]

Is this the only way you can gain attention?
Your opinion of me is meaningless, you never talk techniques because you don't know any!
Your no different than the other kids here you just want to hear yourself and when members get tired of it you resort to insulting people.

Once again good luck, hope you grow up in time to enjoy life.
Get off the computer and go outside and do some road work.
Or is your foot to far up your azz to run?

Perfect name for you "sonny" as in "little boy".

Ray.

Funny Sonny....biggest joke on the net. Ask him about his extensive video collection, or how Tyson was snuck into Europe to meet him at a meet and greet. Sonny is what my Euro friends refer to as a "bellend." Ray he is a chronic lyer who has to divert attention from that fact by attacking others...funny that sonny

Hmmm

Something is very familiar about all this!!

Do you two guys recycle the same lines to all of your adversary's?

You both sound like absolute jerks and make hardly any sense...

Your opinions fly right in the face of anything remotely possible.. AND you support bums!!!

Robinson is very special in that he compiled the most extensive and relatively good quality record of all time. That is a real solid achievement.

But in absolute terms, Robinson is slow and defensively irresponsible. And nothing you can say can dispute that.

Thankfully you haven't even tried, you'se have merely resulted to the same thing you'se always do when cornered with irrefutable facts... You degrade and insult.

[Ray Corso]

Might be kissing cousins elroid & sonny they both think their knowledgeable then they write something and you realize they know NOTHING!

Sonny knows a little technique where as elroid knows NONE! Elroid does know height, he is a very knowledgeable
"elite heightest"!