Which fighters do you feel are historically overrated

[McGoorty]

Ray Robinson is easily the most overrated boxer in history. He's nearly everyones answer to who's the best boxer of all time. Then if you question most people about it they've only seen 2 or less of his fights so they are just parroting what other people have said & really got no clue about how Robinson even fought let alone the guys he beat outside of Jake LaMotta.

Muhammad Ali. He was a better talker than a boxer. Rarely threw body punches. Many of his non-superfights are boring as **** to watch. Not the greatest.

Harry Greb. I believe I've heard the only fight footage of Greb was in Jim Jacobs fight collection so 99.9% of cats ain't even seen this guy fight before. How can you even rate this guy?

In general I think a lot of the old timey guys are overrated cuz there is so little known about them in comparison to what we know about the guys during "our era" & little if any footage of most of them so its easy to make them into mythical en****** to some degree just cuz of that reality.

I am glad you weren't my schoolteacher because your logic is awry, SRR has the just about the best resume of all time, at the time when he finished up in the Welterweight division he had won 110 fights 1 loss and 2 draws and he fought many all time greats and many that deserve higher recognition, and that's before he was middleweight champ.

[Ray Corso]

effpandas......Ray Robinson is easily the most overrated boxer in history




He's on film, theres tons of articles on him and bio's! His record is a who's who in boxing during his 25 year career. After dominating the welters he went up to middleweight for 10 years and was the dominate figure there too.
A man who could box and fight and had power in both hands. He was a multi-dimentional fighter that has never been duplicated since!
Simply put THE ATG and TBE and the p4p KING! Sugar Ray Robinson.
Ray.

[sonnyboyx2]

Ray Robinson is easily the most overrated boxer in history




He's on film, theres tons of articles on him and bio's! His record is a who's who in boxing during his 25 year career. After dominating the welters he went up to middleweight for 10 years and was the dominate figure there too.
A man who could box and fight and had power in both hands. He was a multi-dimentional fighter that has never been duplicated since!
Simply put THE ATG and TBE and the p4p KING! Sugar Ray Robinson.
Ray.

i am surprised your not claiming you trained him like you claimed you trained Mike Tyson

[BKM-2010]

i am surprised your not claiming you trained him like you claimed you trained Mike Tyson

He did, for a brief period. Before he had to move to whatever-town with whatshisface to train some prospects and set up a gym there, which he would later on use to give a young Clay some tips after the young man had been calling RC about it for weeks.

[Ray Corso]

Show us where and when
"I claimed I trained Tyson" I said I worked pads with him and heavy bag at Cus's gym prior to the Region 1 quarters at Holyoke BC in Mass.
I worked pads with him on Governers Isle in New York at a qualifier to the Region 1.
I worked pads with him at Olympic Training Center on Colo Spr at the Nationals.

Don't misquote people, get your facts right and be carefull who you degrade.

Ray Corso

[The Old LefHook]

effpandas......Ray Robinson is easily the most overrated boxer in history




He's on film, theres tons of articles on him and bio's! His record is a who's who in boxing during his 25 year career. After dominating the welters he went up to middleweight for 10 years and was the dominate figure there too.
A man who could box and fight and had power in both hands. He was a multi-dimentional fighter that has never been duplicated since!
Simply put THE ATG and TBE and the p4p KING! Sugar Ray Robinson.
Ray.

Robinson probably has the best case. He stayed at the top for a long time. Though it is possible a few other middleweights might edge him, there is nothing clear. Robinson was a natural junior middleweight when he fought as a middleweight. Not much difference, but it does make a difference when going up against other ATG's. Robinson never looked rock hard to me as a middleweight. That is probably because he was carrying 3-4 four pounds of extra flesh spread across a rock-hard frame to come up nearer the limit and did not believe in weight training. The ounces he was over the limit on the first weigh-in for the Fusari fight, were no doubt the result of carelessness and perhaps a less than perfect training camp, and had nothing to do with outgrowing the division. Robinson was built like a reed. He never did outgrow the middleweight division. Eventually, he grew into the division, but he was well past his perfect prime when he did.

[sonnyboyx2]

Show us where and when
"I claimed I trained Tyson" I said I worked pads with him and heavy bag at Cus's gym prior to the Region 1 quarters at Holyoke BC in Mass.
I worked pads with him on Governers Isle in New York at a qualifier to the Region 1.
I worked pads with him at Olympic Training Center on Colo Spr at the Nationals.

Don't misquote people, get your facts right and be carefull who you degrade.

Ray Corso

gets better by the day LOL

[Anthony342]

Are you referring to Mayweather? If not, whom? Please clarify.

Yeah Mayweather.

[Justin MSalvato]

this has to be....

one of the more controversial threads on here.

[McGoorty]

Robinson probably has the best case. He stayed at the top for a long time. Though it is possible a few other middleweights might edge him, there is nothing clear. Robinson was a natural junior middleweight when he fought as a middleweight. Not much difference, but it does make a difference when going up against other ATG's. Robinson never looked rock hard to me as a middleweight. That is probably because he was carrying 3-4 four pounds of extra flesh spread across a rock-hard frame to come up nearer the limit and did not believe in weight training. The ounces he was over the limit on the first weigh-in for the Fusari fight, were no doubt the result of carelessness and perhaps a less than perfect training camp, and had nothing to do with outgrowing the division. Robinson was built like a reed. He never did outgrow the middleweight division. Eventually, he grew into the division, but he was well past his perfect prime when he did.

I think he probably is the GOAT but that is because of what he did as a welterweight which was to put mildly, incredible,,, awesome as well but yeah I do think some great MW's could have beaten him especially the big ones... this may raise an eyebrow or two but I think Darcy is too big and strong for him and that Ray would struggle to stop Les going forward,, Hagler and Monzon give him the same problems,, these three guys were RELENTLESS and would not give him much breathing space.... who else ?... well I believe Fitzsimmons possibly hurts him too, Ketchel ?? nah,, Ray would destroy Stanley... you have to have some boxing ability to beat Ray and a out and out slugger always loses to him... Hell he has the skills and class and big enough punch to beat Hagler Darcy and Monzon..... would Roy Jones beat Ray ???? hmmmmmm dunno, Roy may be just too big. The fact that we don't have any Greb footage means I can't even begin to make an opinion on that fight, Harry isn't a big MW but he was relentless but then again look at who Ray beat... Gavilan, relentless, Armstrong... relentless, Graziano... relentless.... LaMotta.... relen...................... you get my point, but I do think size and reach big factors in all boxing matchups... fact is, Ray's MW record is good, plenty of big name victims but most of those also beat Ray, his MW is not as good as some others, and there's the rub, he ain't the greatest MW in my opinion.... but still the GOAT p4p