Which fighters do you feel are historically overrated

[McGoorty]

I must add I didn't think this thread was supposed to be a debate about Ray Corso.... and jokes about him training Clay or Robinson are just silly.... may as well claim he taught Larry Foley and Jem Mace... lol... good joke but lets keep the flaming out please guys.

[ShoulderRoll]

...this may raise an eyebrow or two but I think Darcy is too big and strong for him and that Ray would struggle to stop Les going forward,

Les Darcy? Doesn't really have the resume to be in the conversation does he? Seems to have never accomplished too much beyond the domestic level.

[IronDanHamza]

Historically? Maybe by some but those who know their stuff will rank him in the right spot, probably top 50-75 at worst.

Mayweather will be ranked much higher than 50.

Top 30 bare minimum I would imagine.

Obviously well above 75 but that doesn't even need explaining.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Ray Robinson is easily the most overrated boxer in history. He's nearly everyones answer to who's the best boxer of all time. Then if you question most people about it they've only seen 2 or less of his fights so they are just parroting what other people have said & really got no clue about how Robinson even fought let alone the guys he beat outside of Jake LaMotta.

Muhammad Ali. He was a better talker than a boxer. Rarely threw body punches. Many of his non-superfights are boring as **** to watch. Not the greatest.

Harry Greb. I believe I've heard the only fight footage of Greb was in Jim Jacobs fight collection so 99.9% of cats ain't even seen this guy fight before. How can you even rate this guy?

In general I think a lot of the old timey guys are overrated cuz there is so little known about them in comparison to what we know about the guys during "our era" & little if any footage of most of them so its easy to make them into mythical en****** to some degree just cuz of that reality.

I agree on Robinson and Ali. Robinson had great talent, but when in a war, he didn't do much. On the inside, he had very little and I think his style turned boxing the direction of the flaky runners we see everywhere in the sport today. He admittedly liked dancing better. How can this be called a MAN's sport when the supposed best prefers to dance? And Ali was just as guilty bit probably more so. If these guys would have stood and fought, they would have been more respectable. Ali's interviews and media hype are why he's so famous, not his boxing. The guy took way too many shots and that is not admirable. And yes. Many of his fights drag ass except for Frazier and Frazier forced those fights. Glad everyone does not worship these guys.

As far as old timey, I tend to lean more toward them. In their day, they literally did have to put on a fight or they did not get paid. I hate that aspect has dropped from boxing. It is killing it.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

The problem with this kind of thread is some people wrongly correlate being an ATG and being overrated. Tyson is obviously the most overrated, ask any casual about him and they say he will crush anybody they put in front of him. He's the automatic go to when you ask most people to name the goat.

[Ray Corso]

............."Robinson had great talent, but when in a war, he didn't do much. On the inside, he had very little and I think his style turned boxing the direction of the flaky runners we see everywhere in the sport"....

...you need to do more research on Robinson. Sugar Ray could **** with the best and did. Once he figured his opponents out he would step in with two handed power and produced KO's moving in, backing up and off lateral movement. He stopped LaMotta which was an impossible task and was a very mean man in the ring. He could carry guys to a decsion win or if he disliked you he would punish you. Not sure how you came up with your assumption he was a runner but thats ridiculous.

Watch some film against Basilio, both Fulmers those are brutal opponents and very tough men he stopped. They won a few over him but never stopped him.
Ray

[The Old LefHook]

The problem with this kind of thread is some people wrongly correlate being an ATG and being overrated. Tyson is obviously the most overrated, ask any casual about him and they say he will crush anybody they put in front of him. He's the automatic go to when you ask most people to name the goat.

The problem with almost every thread is that they are exclusively about opinions. Who cares about someone's unresearched opinions? Do I care about the poster's opinion a few posts ago who thinks Robinson is the most overrated fighter ever? No, and why should I? An informed vs an uninformed opinion is something I can recognize lightning fast anymore.

Straight fact is a bad criterion, too. The record book is a straight fact. See how much it does not tell you? Only reason grounded in reality and research is worth responding to. Certainly someone's steaming or chain yanking is not, though I still sometimes react myself.

If someone has a strong opinion without high-functioning reasoning evident on a subject, who cares about such an opinion, unless they were looking for their chain yanked to begin with?

[The Old LefHook]

............."Robinson had great talent, but when in a war, he didn't do much. On the inside, he had very little and I think his style turned boxing the direction of the flaky runners we see everywhere in the sport"....

...you need to do more research on Robinson. Sugar Ray could **** with the best and did. Once he figured his opponents out he would step in with two handed power and produced KO's moving in, backing up and off lateral movement. He stopped LaMotta which was an impossible task and was a very mean man in the ring. He could carry guys to a decsion win or if he disliked you he would punish you. Not sure how you came up with your assumption he was a runner but thats ridiculous.

Watch some film against Basilio, both Fulmers those are brutal opponents and very tough men he stopped. They won a few over him but never stopped him.
Ray

You have given facts supplemented by experience and reason, the other fellow an uninformed opinion. If his opinion is informed, he failed to give his reasoning. I have a feeling his in-depth reasoning would make better humor than debating material. Anyone who considers Robinson a runner is obviously a beginner at boxing history, a young child, or has the observational powers of Gomer Pyle.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

You have given facts supplemented by experience and reason, the other fellow an uninformed opinion. If his opinion is informed, he failed to give his reasoning. I have a feeling his in-depth reasoning would make better humor than debating material. Anyone who considers Robinson a runner is obviously a beginner at boxing history, a young child, or has the observational powers of Gomer Pyle.

Another matter of opinion.

[JimEarl]

I agree on Robinson and Ali. Robinson had great talent, but when in a war, he didn't do much. On the inside, he had very little and I think his style turned boxing the direction of the flaky runners we see everywhere in the sport today.

Hit 'n' Run artists (which Robinson wasn't anyway) and spoilers, generally popular or not, had been around long before Ray Robinson or Muhammad Ali.