Sonnyboy's Lennox Lewis appreciation thread.

[sonnyboyx2]

Lennox was already bigger than most the guys you mentioned in his debut! over 230 lbs for his first match.

Lennox was 238 when he lost to mccall and came in 13 lbs heavier in the rematch. Maidana gains more lbs in one day than Lennox did over the 3 years you claim he was roiding up.

Lewis was out of shape in his first fight..


Lewis debut 231lbs
Lewis vs Ocasio ~ 224lb
Lewis vs Chanet ~ 224lb
Lewis vs Weaver 221lb
Lewis vs Ruddock ~ 227lb
Lewis vs Bruno ~ 229lb
Lewis vs McCall (1) ~ 238lb (Lewis juicing by this time)
Lewis vs Mercer ~ 247lb
Lewis vs McCall (2) ~ 251lbs
Lewis vs Rahman ~ 254lb
Lewis vs Tyson ~ 250lb
Lewis vs Vitali ~ 257lb

Lewis was clearly a juicer. His overall record points to juicing and his physique most certainly points to juicing.. Lewis fighting out of the UK instead of Canada points to juicing, as the UK do not drug test their own fighters, just test foreign fighters... take a look at photographs of Lewis around his fight with Ruddock, compared to photographs of him in the Holyfield fights..Lewis was a juicer all right.

[joeandthebums]

The reason Lewis chose to fight out of the UK instead of his beloved Canada or USA was because the UK do not drug test their own boxers.

Lewis fighting out of the UK instead of Canada points to juicing, as the UK do not drug test their own fighters, just test foreign fighters...

Appreciate if you could answer the following questions I have;

What specific tests were Canadian boxers required to take circa 1989+? Were these part of their yearly check-up, pre/post-fight or took form of a 365 day Olympic style testing?

Do the UK not test their own licensed boxers in any form?

Thanks

[soul_survivor]

How would things have been different if Lennox Lewis decided to turn pro in 1985, after the '84 Olympics?

It's hard to say, would Lewis have been ready for the world level by the late 80s? I really dont think so. Watch his amateur footage from that time, he just wasn't ready to turn pro, he would have been eaten alive and lost too many early fights to warrant a big time push. Lewis turned pro at the time which was best for him, he was in the right physical and mental state to beat top contenders.

Lewis in 85 would not have been ready for the big boys till the early 90s anyway.

[rightsideup]

It's hard to say, would Lewis have been ready for the world level by the late 80s? I really dont think so. Watch his amateur footage from that time, he just wasn't ready to turn pro, he would have been eaten alive and lost too many early fights to warrant a big time push. Lewis turned pro at the time which was best for him, he was in the right physical and mental state to beat top contenders.

Lewis in 85 would not have been ready for the big boys till the early 90s anyway.

As I first said I think Lewis followed the right plan but in the 84 games Biggs the eventual gold medalist ran away from him.

[Joeyzagz]

Most boxers, most men in general gain weight once they hit their mid 30s. Yet when Lennox does it on his tall 6'5 frame you call foul.

Muhhamad Ali was 201 lbs vs Cooper, then ballooned to 236 lbs later vs Larry holmes. Was he juicing as well?

[Scott9945]

Lewis started juicing right after the McCall Knockout. it is very well documented on the web about Lewis juicing, Jeremy Williams made reference to it in a documentary. Lewis body from 97-2003 looks similar to Shannon Briggs who is a Steroid freak...

Your reference to Lewis being 6'5'' is all the more proof he was juicing. When we look at athletes like Usain Bolt who is 6'5'' and weighs 205lbs
Ernie Terrell 6'7'' ~~ 210lbs
Tony Tucker 6'5'' ~~ 228lbs
Lou Savarese 6'5'' ~~ 220lbs
Buster Douglas 6'5'' ~~ 231lbs
Tryell Biggs 6'5'' ~~ 228lbs
Jose Ribalta 6'5'' ~~ 210lbs
Mitch Green 6'5'' ~~ 225lbs
Maurice Harris 6'4'' ~~205lbs
Rid**** Bowe 6'6'' ~~ 235lbs
Gerry Cooney 6'7'' ~~ 231lbs
Buddy Baer 6'6'' ~~ 215lbs
Carmine Vingo 6'4'' ~~ 195lbs
Tyson Fury 6'9'' ~~ 248lbs

LENNOX LEWIS 6'5'' ~ 257lbs (full of juice)

So hilarious (and typical) that you use a career high weight in the last fight of career to use for Lewis. Buster Douglas weighed 258 for his last fight. Savarese weighed 242. Ernie Terrell was 227. Why didn't you designate that as their weights? Probably because it didn't fit your transparent agenda.

[rightsideup]

So hilarious (and typical) that you use a career high weight in the last fight of career to use for Lewis. Buster Douglas weighed 258 for his last fight. Savarese weighed 242. Ernie Terrell was 227. Why didn't you designate that as their weights? Probably because it didn't fit your transparent agenda.

buddy baer was way over 215 as well

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Lennox was a beast, he would be good in any era.. The guy was huge, huge one shot power, great jab and boxong skills.. To think that if he started 4 years early he would be a scrub is just absurd..

[sonnyboyx2]

So hilarious (and typical) that you use a career high weight in the last fight of career to use for Lewis. Buster Douglas weighed 258 for his last fight. Savarese weighed 242. Ernie Terrell was 227. Why didn't you designate that as their weights? Probably because it didn't fit your transparent agenda.

Prime fights, prime years is when i took the fighters weight. Nice try, but another fail from you...

Lewis vs Klitschko ~258lbs
Lewis vs Rahman ~ 254lb
Lewis vs Tyson ~ 250lbs
Lewis vs Botha ~ 250lbs
Lewis vs McCall (2) ~ 251lbs
Lewis vs Bruno ~ 230lb
Lewis vs Ruddock ~ 227lbs
Lewis vs Mike Weaver 221lbs

Clear to see by Lewis weight gain and his physique that he was a juicer.. No "transparent agenda" like what you are claiming. But cold hard facts...

Maybe you, Scott, KnockoutNed & Joeyzags should read this article. Written by some of the webs top boxing journalists and writers. Who make claim of Lewis steroid abuse along with the rest of his pitfalls.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxin...olmesLewis.htm

[billeau2]

Prime fights, prime years is when i took the fighters weight. Nice try, but another fail from you...

Lewis vs Klitschko ~258lbs
Lewis vs Rahman ~ 254lb
Lewis vs Tyson ~ 250lbs
Lewis vs Botha ~ 250lbs
Lewis vs McCall (2) ~ 251lbs
Lewis vs Bruno ~ 230lb
Lewis vs Ruddock ~ 227lbs
Lewis vs Mike Weaver 221lbs

Clear to see by Lewis weight gain and his physique that he was a juicer.. No "transparent agenda" like what you are claiming. But cold hard facts...

Maybe you, Scott, KnockoutNed & Joeyzags should read this article. Written by some of the webs top boxing journalists and writers. Who make claim of Lewis steroid abuse along with the rest of his pitfalls.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxin...olmesLewis.htm

The author QUOTES other "top authors" the article is written by one writer Sony. He quotes them selectively and the issue of Lewis' physique is basically one sentence in the article...at most. Most of the article deals with qualifying greatness and how Tunney, Holmes, and Lewis fit into a ranking of great fighters.

There is no specific proof in this article, or from any other source, that makes Lewis appear to be extraordinary in using steriods, as compared to the general population of fighters...thats a fact. The bottom line is fighters do use steroids, Lewis may have done so to a degree that most fighters do so, with no extra ordinary proof of changes due to any steriod use. Compare this to Holyfield, for example and we see a guy who shows much more evidence of "juicing."

I have read this article before, and boy its nice to see Tunney getting his due!

Your not going to like hearing this Sony...but you really have no concept of what it means to present proof of an assertion. Even an anecdotal source can be great, when it is used properly but you fail to do so.

If this is because of language issues than I don't hold this against you. Proof of an assertion might be an opinion that shows reasoning. Or maybe a trainer who claims Lewis was doing this and cites evidence. What you have presented is an article validating lewis as a fighter who arguably is not an ATG. The article is not particularly compelling, but thats another story because it does make its point intelligently.

you are not the only poster who does not seem to know what a fact is, but it does not really take a lot of time to understand if one is willing to learn.

The following is from your own wonderful country and the BBC which is perhaps the most respected news agency to the conventional public. Take a gander at it Sony and you can thank me later.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/skillswise/fact...ct-and-opinion