Why do many (not all) people consider Earnie Shavers the hardest puncher of all time

[JAB5239]

- - Foreman KO 9th rd when George was on his feet at 9 seconds after his first ever KD ain't conclusive.

Ali, Bundini, Herbert, and especially Ferdie knew it when he read the riot act to Ali and Herbert to never fight George again, the damage already done being permanent in nature.

So there was a giant conspiracy?

[JAB5239]

Even Foreman admits Ali beat him, and Queenie is trying to say it wasn't conclusive!! Brilliant!!!

[QueensburyRules]

Even Foreman admits Ali beat him, and Queenie is trying to say it wasn't conclusive!! Brilliant!!!

- - Did Ali ever admit Joe BTFO and left him as roadkill on the canvas in the first fight? Of course not!

Ali fought trilogies against Kenny and Joe, and some say he lost all or would've lost all those fights but for dubious officiating he got for the whole of his career.

Like I stated way back, Ali on the canvas for 30 sec after George rose in 9 sec. Git thee thy saintly minder to do that math for U.

[Willie Pep 229]

So there was a giant conspiracy?

Na!

Someone else on the forum, just recently said it best. Foreman looked so defeated that when he rose not only did he not protest the stoppage (count) he moved immediately to his corner. He looked no longer ready or interested in fighting.

No cheat - if count was quick - meaningless - Foreman defeated.

Should've got an immediate rematch though.

[JAB5239]

- - Did Ali ever admit Joe BTFO and left him as roadkill on the canvas in the first fight? Of course not!

Ali fought trilogies against Kenny and Joe, and some say he lost all or would've lost all those fights but for dubious officiating he got for the whole of his career.

Like I stated way back, Ali on the canvas for 30 sec after George rose in 9 sec. Git thee thy saintly minder to do that math for U.

Didn't Ali get up quickly and survive the rest of the round? We know George didn't. So what is this whole "roadkill" thing you're going on about? More lies?

[JAB5239]

Na!

Someone else on the forum, just recently said it best. Foreman looked so defeated that when he rose not only did he not protest the stoppage (count) he moved immediately to his corner. He looked no longer ready or interested in fighting.

No cheat - if count was quick - meaningless - Foreman defeated.

Should've got an immediate rematch though.

Thank you!! I don't know how anyone could see it any differently.

[Willow The Wisp]

No he gave an exhibition against John L Gardner British champ ,and I think the other guy was Joe Awome. Ali wore a red rubber reducing top which he lifted up to show off his belly.

I'm not trying to knit pick.....well....well, hell, I AM knit picking, and I hate myself for it, rest assured. Lol. But in all fairness John L. Gardner WAS a novice, of 11 pro fights, right after Zaire as 1974 wound down, and it would be 4 years plus before he was ready to challenge for the British title. (Hence my mention of the late Danny McAlinden who was British Champion at that time between Bodell and Bunny Johnson)
A few years back former WBC and lineal Welterweight champion John H. Stracey shared with me that he and Gardner were "mates" as the Brits put it, and that it was he, Johh H (Himself!) who talked Gardner into incorporating his middle initial "To do it like John L. Sullivan!" Lol. Cool beans brother.
Enjoy the big fight Saturday. The history continues....

[Ivich]

I'm not trying to knit pick.....well....well, hell, I AM knit picking, and I hate myself for it, rest assured. Lol. But in all fairness John L. Gardner WAS a novice, of 11 pro fights, right after Zaire as 1974 wound down, and it would be 4 years plus before he was ready to challenge for the British title. (Hence my mention of the late Danny McAlinden who was British Champion at that time between Bodell and Bunny Johnson)
A few years back former WBC and lineal Welterweight champion John H. Stracey shared with me that he and Gardner were "mates" as the Brits put it, and that it was he, Johh H (Himself!) who talked Gardner into incorporating his middle initial "To do it like John L. Sullivan!" Lol. Cool beans brother.
Enjoy the big fight Saturday. The history continues....

Not to nit pick but.
The L was added ,it stands for nothing.

[Ivich]

- - U still don't know what grade U in.

Ali made bountiful living off rematches, even Kenny/Joe trilogies, but he makes mo' money as he admitted to the immediate rematch with George who was game to go the next day.

Not so Ali who was beat up so badly he never fully recovered as Wepner and the rest of his career show.

Total nonsense.

[Ivich]

- - Foreman KO 9th rd when George was on his feet at 9 seconds after his first ever KD ain't conclusive.

Ali, Bundini, Herbert, and especially Ferdie knew it when he read the riot act to Ali and Herbert to never fight George again, the damage already done being permanent in nature.

Do your hear voices? Because this is all fiction.