Greatest Super-Middle of All Times

[Welsh Jon]

1. Ward
2. Calzaghe
3. Froch

[billeau2]

why froch is the best

Froch is the best ever because:

a) there are no great fighters to claim the spot without caveats of one sort or another....like inactivity.

b) Ward was out for a while

c) Ward already has someone to carry his jockstrap and one must question whether Froch, despite being the default "best' is fit to carry Ward's jockstrap...personally I have my doubts.

[joseph5620]

Froch also has kessler, a better version of aa and a better performance, pascal, dirrell, taylor (past it by then but not bad at that stage), groves and kessler.

anymore ****** questions?

It sure as hell wasn't a " better" version of Kessler who he lost to. And claiming a better version of Abraham considering the timeline is ridiculous.

And Froch did not look good against Dirrell. I don't care how unexciting Dirrell was. He hurt Froch and made him look bad.

[Build That Wall]

personally, i don't think there's much of a need to bring any evidence into the discussion if the participants are people who genuinely know the sport and have no bias on the subject.


is carl froch the best SMW of this era?
don't be ridiculous. andre ward was the best SMW of this era.

^^^^^^This

Welcome back New England.

[Suckmedry]

Well mediocre might be stretching it, but certainly not great fighters. It just seems like to make a case for Froch....Kessler is being characterized as a lot better than he is. I don't think much of Calzighe but I can understand a decent argument for skills he posseses....But I really have a hard time with all the Froch hyperbole. The way I see it Froch, Ward, Kessler (along with a few others) had the benefitt of a tourney and Ward was so much better than Froch that it should make people think.

Take a fighter like Glen Johnson. Johnson has a lot of skills and could easily have had his hand raised for many fights he lost! Johnson, as a tough no nonsense guy...the same image that froch projects...is imo better than Froch. Yet people hardly talk about hard nosed tough, skilled guys like Johnson and meanwhile Froch, who has a lot of holes in his game, is given the red carpet treatment!

valid point, Froch is no great talent. Kessler neither, but his boxing was smart and clean.

[soul_survivor]

It sure as hell wasn't a " better" version of Kessler who he lost to. And claiming a better version of Abraham considering the timeline is ridiculous.

And Froch did not look good against Dirrell. I don't care how unexciting Dirrell was. He hurt Froch and made him look bad.

explain?

Look, there is no sane boxing fan who can say Ward has a better resume or comes close. I'm a fight fan not a fighter fan. If you want to carry this discussion on objectively, I'm willing to. If not, then you can **** right off.

[Welsh Jon]

A resume is a list of fighters you've beaten.

Have I seen Wonjongkam fight? oh no mate never, never ever seen him, where is he from Japan is it? Give me a break, obviously I've seen him fight or I wouldn't bring him up would I.

Yes I can use my eyes and no he isn't better than Froch at all.

Resume aside because it's not even close to arguable if we talk resume. But even aside from resume he's not as good a fighter as Froch

I don't act like anything, thanks.

Calzaghe-Froch is debatable. He's not that much better from what I see, if better at all. I could easily see Froch beating Calzaghe.

The Ring have the best divisional rankings and have been the go-to ones for as long as I can remember.

And yes Calzaghe did only fight two.

Are Calzaghe and Frochs resumes really not that close?

Is Froch's 3-2 record against top 5 ranked Super-Middleweights, really incomparable to Calzaghe's 2-0 record against top 5 fighters?

Froch beat 8 top 10 fighters, is that really incomparable to Calzaghe's wins over...erm...8 top 10 fighters?

When compared to the resume of genuine ATG's Calzaghe's resume is indeed laughable. But it compares well with any Super-Middleweight in the short and inglorious history of the division.

[New England]

When Froch fought Bute he was an underdog in his own home country. So that has to be impressive.

Ward had the same opportunity to fight Bute but said no thanks.

is lucian bute a good fighter?

[Suckmedry]

is lucian bute a good fighter?

He was pretty talented, good southpaw boxer but he had his flaws. World level though.

[IronDanHamza]

Are Calzaghe and Frochs resumes really not that close?

Is Froch's 3-2 record against top 5 ranked Super-Middleweights, really incomparable to Calzaghe's 2-0 record against top 5 fighters?

Froch beat 8 top 10 fighters, is that really incomparable to Calzaghe's wins over...erm...8 top 10 fighters?

When compared to the resume of genuine ATG's Calzaghe's resume is indeed laughable. But it compares well with any Super-Middleweight in the short and inglorious history of the division.

Absolutely they're comparable. I give the it Froch but could see the other way.

I was referring to Wonjongkam.