Greatest Super-Middle of All Times

[New England]

Bika and Abraham, sure.

Rodriguez? No.

Dawson? No.

If you're going to include Green then obviously you have to include Johnson for Froch.

And press row was split on Froch-Dirrell.

how are dawson and rodriguez not admissable when a close fight [where froch was momentarily unconscious,] with groves and a freaking rematch with george groves are? that's an opinion you'll share only with euros / ward haters. ward also knocked dawson out, and whitewashed rodriguez. froch had serious issues with groves' speed [he's not that fast,] and even his power [he doesnt' hit hard.]

i've got no issues with adding johnson to the list. it's another B level win. it still doesn't make his resume better than andre ward's, which includes two A level wins.

[Rostov Papa]

After Calzaghe beat Hopkins, little kids walked up to Hopkins in the mean streets of Philly,and whispered "Joe Calzaghe."

True story...

[joseph5620]

Why not?

It's not a outlandish thing to say in the slightest.

Better resume? Yes. Better fighter? No. Not in my opinion.

[young_robbed]

Ugh, i hope Ward comes back soon and makes you dumba$$es eat your words.

[roxy]

1. Ward-Calzaghe(tie)
2. Froch

Ward could pull ahead and Froch may score a few wins but this is how I rank them.

[New England]

ward fights two fights with groves with results identical to froch's. one is a war, and ward goes down and almost out in teh first round. the other is a well contested fight that ends with the better man getting a knockout.

do you think more or less of andre ward? do you think he's a better or worse fighter than you thought before the fight? would that be a performance befitting ward's accomplishments and abilities? is it a black mark on his resume?

[New England]

what are froch's five best wins?

[BattlingNelson]

what are froch's five best wins?

Kessler
Bute
Pascal
Abraham
Taylor

Ward's:
Froch
Kessler
Abraham
Bika
Miranda

[Pigeons]

Kessler
Bute
Pascal
Abraham
Taylor

Ward's:
Froch
Kessler
Abraham
Bika
Miranda

Eliminate the common wins, Kessler and Abraham. Froch's 3 are Pascal, Bute, and Dirrell (or Taylor). Ward's 3 are Froch, Dawson, and Bika.

[New England]

Kessler
Bute
Pascal
Abraham
Taylor

Ward's:
Froch
Kessler
Abraham
Bika
Miranda

for starters, you're a straight mong if you think miranda is a more historically significant win than dawson. dawson was on the p4p list at the time of the ward fight, and the LHW champion of the world. he had recently beaten bernard hopkins. edison miranda was not only a lesser tier of fighter, he was done by the time ward got to him.

you think froch has a better resume after looking at those wins?
why?
nobody seems to want to answer that question. they're probably afraid of looking silly because of the way they weigh these wins.


ward beat a better version of kessler, a version froch couldn't. he also beat froch himself. wins over bute, pascal and taylor are better than that? please.